The Framework Desktop is a deep disappointment to me. Framework, the company that got into the business with an explicit purpose of building modular and repairable computers, went into a space where that was the norm (desktops), and introduced a PC that was none of those things, at an exorbitant price. When they debuted it, it was marketed specifically as a gaming machine. As much as I want to support them, I cannot reward them for this specific product, as it abandons their fundamental tenets.

Here’s the build. You can see similar builds featured on many YT channels at this point with the new NV10 case and 5060 LP GPU.

Here’s one from ETA Prime

And another from “MRGUI on PC”

This build: ~$1100

Comparable Framework build: ~$1700

I will concede the Framework is still better at a few things:

  • Efficiency (I’m not sure that this is to any degree that’s worth being factored in)
  • Being that it’s more efficient, it’s also quieter
  • Local LLMs (which no one should care about or be using)
  • A bit thinner due to not have a dGPU
  • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
    514·
    2 months ago

    No, that’s because people are easily duped by unprecedented investments in marketing.

      • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
        415·
        2 months ago

        WTF is a cope? There’s no way anyone actually thinks that marketing for LLMs is not a thing so I can only surmise that your intention is to argue in bad faith or otherwise troll. In which case, goodbye.

        • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
          72·
          2 months ago

          Could you provide a single example of marketing for a local LLM?

          Do you have any evidence that investment in marketing of LLMs is actually “unprecedented” or trending any differently than marketing as a whole?

          I can provide an example of a purpose for a local LLM: offline translation of documents written in a foreign language.

      • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
        39·
        2 months ago

        100% of it, considering HuggingFace wouldn’t exist without LLM marketing.

        • papertowels@mander.xyz
          22·
          2 months ago

          Hugging face was founded in 2016

          LLM marketing didn’t show up on google trends until 2023.

          I wonder how hugging face existed for those 7 years in between 🤔

          Almost as if researchers and practitioners used LLMs before marketing hype…

          • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
            42·
            2 months ago

            It is typical anti-science conspiracy theorist “secret knowledge” mindset. People like OP want to feel like they know something others don’t, so they allow themselves the delusion that, despite no personal expertise or knowledge of the topic, they actually know better than the companies risking billions on AI investments and expert researchers/academics with decades long careers in AI/ML.

            They are the same as other science deniers, like anti-vaxxers believing they actually know better than doctors and medical researchers because of an anecodote they read online.

            • papertowels@mander.xyz
              22·
              2 months ago

              Admittedly, hugging face wasn’t what it currently is in 2016, but the wiki suggests that it changed prior to 2021. Point still stands, as that’s before LLMs even showed up in marketing.

              That said, they certainly are painting with a broad brush.

              • papertowels@mander.xyz
                42·
                2 months ago

                claiming that working with free, open source, self hosted, privacy-focused local LLMs means you’ve drunk the corporate Kool aid is only further discrediting yourself on this topic…

                • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                  12·
                  2 months ago

                  Right, because FOSS LLMs couldn’t possibly be influenced by the non-FOSS ones. That’s stupid. That wouldn’t make any sense at all…

                  • papertowels@mander.xyz
                    31·
                    2 months ago

                    because FOSS LLMs couldn’t possibly be influenced by the non-FOSS ones.

                    Okay, so I have a question for you. If we replace “LLMs” with operating systems in that statement, you’d use the same logic to argue that it’s drinking the corporate Kool aid to use linux, because it’s been influenced by non-FOSS operating systems.

                    Do you see how embarrassing of an argument that is to try and make?

                    Let’s shine some light on the elephant in the room. How much experience do you actually have with self-hosted LLMs? It’s sounding like 0, in which case I’d speak a lot less authoritatively if that were the case.

              • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
                11·
                2 months ago

                And you REALLY have totally outsmarted top researchers in AI/ML. Congratulations on knowing better! You should feel special!

                Which corporation released local LLMs like OLMo? Oh wait that’s right, it was a non-profit that released OLMo, not a corporation.

                • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                  23·
                  2 months ago

                  I didn’t outsmart anyone except the stupid people being duped by trillions of dollars in marketing investment from the largest companies on the planet.

                  • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
                    11·
                    2 months ago

                    So let me understand how the world works, according to you:

                    Corporations have spent “trillions” of dollars to convince “stupid people” to download and run local LLMs… for free…

                    Actual facts: OpenAI, the largest player in AI, has raised a total of $59.7 billion in funding over the last 10 years. … “trillions” 🤣