The Framework Desktop is a deep disappointment to me. Framework, the company that got into the business with an explicit purpose of building modular and repairable computers, went into a space where that was the norm (desktops), and introduced a PC that was none of those things, at an exorbitant price. When they debuted it, it was marketed specifically as a gaming machine. As much as I want to support them, I cannot reward them for this specific product, as it abandons their fundamental tenets.

Here’s the build. You can see similar builds featured on many YT channels at this point with the new NV10 case and 5060 LP GPU.

Here’s one from ETA Prime

And another from “MRGUI on PC”

This build: ~$1100

Comparable Framework build: ~$1700

I will concede the Framework is still better at a few things:

  • Efficiency (I’m not sure that this is to any degree that’s worth being factored in)
  • Being that it’s more efficient, it’s also quieter
  • Local LLMs (which no one should care about or be using)
  • A bit thinner due to not have a dGPU
    • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
      39·
      2 months ago

      100% of it, considering HuggingFace wouldn’t exist without LLM marketing.

      • papertowels@mander.xyz
        22·
        2 months ago

        Hugging face was founded in 2016

        LLM marketing didn’t show up on google trends until 2023.

        I wonder how hugging face existed for those 7 years in between 🤔

        Almost as if researchers and practitioners used LLMs before marketing hype…

        • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
          42·
          2 months ago

          It is typical anti-science conspiracy theorist “secret knowledge” mindset. People like OP want to feel like they know something others don’t, so they allow themselves the delusion that, despite no personal expertise or knowledge of the topic, they actually know better than the companies risking billions on AI investments and expert researchers/academics with decades long careers in AI/ML.

          They are the same as other science deniers, like anti-vaxxers believing they actually know better than doctors and medical researchers because of an anecodote they read online.

          • papertowels@mander.xyz
            22·
            2 months ago

            Admittedly, hugging face wasn’t what it currently is in 2016, but the wiki suggests that it changed prior to 2021. Point still stands, as that’s before LLMs even showed up in marketing.

            That said, they certainly are painting with a broad brush.

            • papertowels@mander.xyz
              42·
              2 months ago

              claiming that working with free, open source, self hosted, privacy-focused local LLMs means you’ve drunk the corporate Kool aid is only further discrediting yourself on this topic…

              • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                12·
                2 months ago

                Right, because FOSS LLMs couldn’t possibly be influenced by the non-FOSS ones. That’s stupid. That wouldn’t make any sense at all…

                • papertowels@mander.xyz
                  31·
                  2 months ago

                  because FOSS LLMs couldn’t possibly be influenced by the non-FOSS ones.

                  Okay, so I have a question for you. If we replace “LLMs” with operating systems in that statement, you’d use the same logic to argue that it’s drinking the corporate Kool aid to use linux, because it’s been influenced by non-FOSS operating systems.

                  Do you see how embarrassing of an argument that is to try and make?

                  Let’s shine some light on the elephant in the room. How much experience do you actually have with self-hosted LLMs? It’s sounding like 0, in which case I’d speak a lot less authoritatively if that were the case.

                  • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                    11·
                    2 months ago

                    It would be embarrassing, if that’s what I had said. But Linux and other operating systems actually serve a purpose. They’re not just bullshit machines.

            • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
              11·
              2 months ago

              And you REALLY have totally outsmarted top researchers in AI/ML. Congratulations on knowing better! You should feel special!

              Which corporation released local LLMs like OLMo? Oh wait that’s right, it was a non-profit that released OLMo, not a corporation.

              • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                23·
                2 months ago

                I didn’t outsmart anyone except the stupid people being duped by trillions of dollars in marketing investment from the largest companies on the planet.

                • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  2 months ago

                  So let me understand how the world works, according to you:

                  Corporations have spent “trillions” of dollars to convince “stupid people” to download and run local LLMs… for free…

                  Actual facts: OpenAI, the largest player in AI, has raised a total of $59.7 billion in funding over the last 10 years. … “trillions” 🤣

                  • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                    12·
                    2 months ago

                    Wrong. I didn’t say anything like that. You are once again intentionally trying to redirect the conversation back to local LLMs when I have done nothing but speak about LLMs in general. More marketing in proprietary LLMs = more adoption in LLMs, local or otherwise. You obviously know this, but once again have no interest in any good faith discussion, so this conversation is pointless.