If, as you falsely claim, sex is determined by rather than defined by chromosomes, and that you can split it in a binary way based on a body being “organised around” gamete size, then by your own logic, you should find it very easy indeed to completely disentangle this pictogram showing which side is male and which is female, splitting neatly into large gametes on one size and small ones on that other, and with primary and then secondary characteristics following neatly underneath and no crossed lines. That’s what your trump-dictated theory claims. Draw it, if it’s that simple. I’ll wait.
There isn’t any “detangling” like you’re thinking, because you misunderstand the chart. For example, multiple conditions can lead to infertility. That doesn’t mean the conditions can’t be distinguished from each other, that just means the chart is kind of confusing.
At any rate, these conditions have a clear sex. For example, “Klinefelter syndrome (KS), also known as 47,XXY, is a chromosome anomaly where a male has an extra X chromosome”. The term mixed gonadal dysgenesis isn’t very specific, but sex can still be determined in each case, e.g. Turner syndrome.
Are there any examples from the chart you think disprove the sex binary?
The chart describes various variations in sex chromosomes and other factors and how they result in different primary and secondary sexual characteristics
The chart has many criss-crossing lines; it’s very tangled.
You claim that there are exactly two sexes and that it is simply “organised around” producing small gametes vs “organised around” producing small gametes
Therefore you should be able to split this chart into your two binary separate sides, your “organised around” producing small gametes side and your “organised around” producing large gametes side, and definitely the primary and surely the secondary sexual characteristics too should be part of that “organisation”
Whether or not you believe in my understanding of the chart, yours is surely deep and sound, and you can surely demonstrate your far superior understanding and the overwhelming explanatory clarity of your simple definition by untangling this chart into your binary male and female halves with all the criss-crossing lines (that everyone else in the thread keeps bringing up and you keep dismissing peicemeal) now neatly packaged into the two “organised around” binary sides, with all this (according to you) unnecessary tangling gone
Of course I believe no such chart exists and that your “sex is binary, just use trump’s size-of-gametes definition” is a bunch of oversimplified crap that’s of no use in either science or life, but you believe in all that shit and peddle it anywhere you think someone trans might be having a good day, so you ought to be able to do it if you’re right and sex really is as simply binary as you claim
Feel free to admit that it’s actually a bit more complicated than that. OH WAIT, NO, YOU CAN’T DO THAT, IT WOULD MEAN YOU’RE WASTING YOUR LIFE ARGUING A USELESS PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC DEFINITION JUST TO FUCK WITH TRANS PEOPLE BECAUSE FOR SOME INSANE LOGIC EVEN MORE SCREWY THAN YOUR DEBATING STYLE YOU THINK TRANS PEOPLE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH SHIT TO DEAL WITH.
My apologies, I didn’t think I needed to spell it out this simply. I gave one example of how people with that condition are unambiguously sexed, and asked if you were confused on the others.
There’s no getting around the fact that it’s a bad chart, but somebody conveniently has already made better ones. I’ll copy them here, in order that they appear in the colored line in the chart. Here’s the first one that explains what each box means:
(Mixed gondal dysgenesis, as discussed above, this isn’t a single condition, it’s an umbrella term)
Note the sex listed on each chart. None of them are unambiguous. Before you start inevitably complaining about the chart, why did you trust the first chart? Simply because it agreed with you?
Stop and consider before you respond: do you have any substantial critiques of these charts? Or are you just going to find some irrelevant detail and obsess about that? That’s called trolling, and you certainly wouldn’t want to do that, right? You’ll respond in good faith, yes?
Love how you have me ten charts with plenty of overlap and claim that they’re all separate but when you look even superficially, you find that they overlap a lot like the original chart!
You claim there are two binary sexes then give me TEN and the male and female ones overlap!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You can’t even tell the difference between two sexes and ten!
Of course you can’t complete the task. It’s impossible.
If you like, try again. Two sexes. One chart. No criss-crossing. No sneaky putting the same thing on both the male and female sides of the chart, because it’s binary, isn’t it? Simply split it by what size of gametes the body is “organised around” producing! Your very own (oh, no, sorry, trump’s) definition!
It’s not binary. Anyone not accepting this needs to stop talking about biology because it is clearly not rheir field
That’s demonstrating the variation within the sex binary. You’re confusing how sex is determined with how sex is defined.
If, as you falsely claim, sex is determined by rather than defined by chromosomes, and that you can split it in a binary way based on a body being “organised around” gamete size, then by your own logic, you should find it very easy indeed to completely disentangle this pictogram showing which side is male and which is female, splitting neatly into large gametes on one size and small ones on that other, and with primary and then secondary characteristics following neatly underneath and no crossed lines. That’s what your trump-dictated theory claims. Draw it, if it’s that simple. I’ll wait.
There isn’t any “detangling” like you’re thinking, because you misunderstand the chart. For example, multiple conditions can lead to infertility. That doesn’t mean the conditions can’t be distinguished from each other, that just means the chart is kind of confusing.
At any rate, these conditions have a clear sex. For example, “Klinefelter syndrome (KS), also known as 47,XXY, is a chromosome anomaly where a male has an extra X chromosome”. The term mixed gonadal dysgenesis isn’t very specific, but sex can still be determined in each case, e.g. Turner syndrome.
Are there any examples from the chart you think disprove the sex binary?
My apologies, I didn’t think I needed to spell it out this simply. I gave one example of how people with that condition are unambiguously sexed, and asked if you were confused on the others.
There’s no getting around the fact that it’s a bad chart, but somebody conveniently has already made better ones. I’ll copy them here, in order that they appear in the colored line in the chart. Here’s the first one that explains what each box means:
(Mixed gondal dysgenesis, as discussed above, this isn’t a single condition, it’s an umbrella term)
Note the sex listed on each chart. None of them are unambiguous. Before you start inevitably complaining about the chart, why did you trust the first chart? Simply because it agreed with you?
Stop and consider before you respond: do you have any substantial critiques of these charts? Or are you just going to find some irrelevant detail and obsess about that? That’s called trolling, and you certainly wouldn’t want to do that, right? You’ll respond in good faith, yes?
Love how you have me ten charts with plenty of overlap and claim that they’re all separate but when you look even superficially, you find that they overlap a lot like the original chart!
You claim there are two binary sexes then give me TEN and the male and female ones overlap!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You can’t even tell the difference between two sexes and ten!
Of course you can’t complete the task. It’s impossible.
If you like, try again. Two sexes. One chart. No criss-crossing. No sneaky putting the same thing on both the male and female sides of the chart, because it’s binary, isn’t it? Simply split it by what size of gametes the body is “organised around” producing! Your very own (oh, no, sorry, trump’s) definition!
Bruh. You realize that each one of those charts isn’t a different sex, right?
I’ll take that as “no you can’t disentangle them”