It’s easier to disable all the garbage than remove the garbage?

  • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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    2 hours ago

    Obviously Adobe products aren’t going to be found in a Linux package manager. Not sure why you’re even mentioning it though, because

    • the number of people that actually require an Adobe product is miniscule compared to the number of PC users, so it’s an extreme edge case
    • Alternatives like Gimp, Krita, Inkscape, Darktable, kdenlive, DaVinci Resolve, Blender, Foxit, Okular, LibreOffice Draw, Scribus, etc. etc. etc. exist and are more than good enough to satisfy most people that use Adobe products
    • OS-independent cloud versions of most Adobe products exist

    Can you share some distros/package managers that don’t have a GUI available? Every flavor of Linux I’ve used in the past 5 years has had a GUI for the package manager, and 9 times out of 10 there’s a shortcut in the taskbar or on the desktop by default after installation.

    My gaming PC is running PopOS. When I was on version 22.04, I used PopShop exclusively to install and update my software, and it worked great. Since upgrading to 24.04, PopShop has been replaced by the Cosmic Store, which is even easier to use. Both were pre installed and pinned to the taskbar out of the box.

    I have Nobara installed on another desktop. I forget what the package manager GUI on that one is called, but it was very similarly easy to use, and it was also pinned to the taskbar (or whatever the KDE-taskbar-equivalent is called) out of the box.

    Hell, even Arch has options for graphical package managers, they just don’t come pre installed, obviously, since it’s Arch.

    • artyom@piefed.social
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      the number of people that actually require an Adobe product is miniscule compared to the number of PC users, so it’s an extreme edge case

      1. It is not miniscule.
      2. It’s called an example.

      Alternatives like…exist

      Right so someone should uproot their entire workflow to use something inferior. Ok. People don’t shell out hundreds of dollars per year for fun.

      Can you share some distros/package managers that don’t have a GUI available?

      Hell, even Arch has options for graphical package managers

      Every distro has “options” for everything. If they don’t come packaged with the installer then what point do they serve? How are you going to install it? You’re answering your own questions and yet still unable to understand what the problem is.

      I have Nobara installed on another desktop. I forget what the package manager GUI on that one is called, but it was very similarly easy to use

      Nobara is the one I was referring to with multiple package managers that were completely unintuitive, had constant update notifications, and eventually broke my install.

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        27 minutes ago

        It is miniscule, objectively. Generously, less than 2% of personal computer users have an Adobe license. The alternatives aren’t inferior, in fact in some cases (blender, DaVinci Resolve), the “alternative” I listed is actually the industry standard used instead of the comparable Adobe product. There are multiple ways to make it easier to transition away from Adobe products, and you keep just conveniently ignoring the fact that cloud versions of most Adobe products are available. It’s a bad example, and does nothing for the argument you’re trying to make.

        Can you share some distros/package managers that don’t have a GUI available? You originally claimed there were distros where a graphical package manager wasn’t an option. Are you walking that back now, or can you actually substantiate that claim?

        Can you share some distros intended for desktop use that don’t come with a graphical package manager?

        I’m sorry you found Nobara’s package management tools confusing. Is that the experience you’re basing this whole opinion on?