• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    This is what most of China’s rapid construction projects end up being.

    Well, I think I found the logic behind the boot. Wildly different to say construction standards are a problem than to conclude the majority of buildings are defective and dangerously prone to collapse.

    Might also be noted that this isn’t something that’s gone unaddressed. Police in China arrest 9 people linked to Changsha building collapse that left dozens missing

    At the same time, you’ll have western media insisting the draconian Chinese police state is cruelly persecuting businessmen in the country.

    Guo Wengui is a great example - a man who turned “Exiled Persecuted Chinese Businessman” into a cottage industry, bouncing from cable news show to right-wing radio program to complain about the villainous evil far-left authoritarian communist police state that was harassing him illegally for fake crimes he’s falsely accused of. And then he gets caught running scams in the US using the same modus operandi Chinese prosecutors sought him out over.

    Worker and civilian safety is not a priority in China

    This is flatly untrue, particularly since the Xi administration began cracking down on corruption at the municipal level nationwide. But it is routinely asserted that instances where corruption and malfeasance occur are “normal”. Meanwhile, instances where the police investigate and arrest corrupt and incompetent administrators are “persecution”.

    It’s “heads-China-bad” / “tails-China-bad”.

    What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”

    -Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and the Reds

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      There have been roughly 245 Chinese building collapse accidents in the construction industry between 2015 and 2018 in China, resulting in the deaths of 451 people. And that’s only what’s allowed to be reported on and what isn’t censored. China and India are much further ahead in building collapses than the rest of the world, because their standards are lacklustre, prioritising speed over safety.

      Never said the majority of their buildings, only the construction they build fast.

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      Can you maybe make a post actually engaging with criticism rather than making a bunch of strawmen and talking about right wing grifters in an effort to delegitimize any criticism of China?

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        Sadly, any serious analysis is meet with “Wumao Bot Tankie” on reflex.

        More than two word of a post that don’t begin “China Bad” bounce right off the mental deflector dish reactionaries shelter under.

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          You only get called a wumao if you parrot the official CCP line and never accept criticism of China or see any criticism as not legitimate. Also trying to paint China and it’s government as flawless or deflecting any criticism to “what about the US on the topic” instead of actually addressing it will also get you called a wumao.

          You aren’t exactly making yourself credible so far.

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            You only get called a wumao if you parrot the official CCP line

            Anything that isn’t reactionary propaganda against China is “the official CCP line”. You can say the most inane shit about their high speed rail network or post pretty pictures from the fucking Panda Sanctuary and it’s CCP propaganda.

            Also trying to paint China and it’s government as flawless or deflecting any criticism

            You’re just proving my point. How can you engage in any kind of serious discussion when the rebuttal is “You think China is perfect!” and “Stop talking about non-China countries for comparison!”

            How do you have a serious discussion when even the most minor concession is met by “So you admit China Bad! I win!” Nevermind when there’s actual criticism rather than paranoid bullshit, and its just ignored because it doesn’t sound critical enough.

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              Proving your point? You are literally angry that no one is gonna let you argue in bad faith by deflecting arguments away from criticism of China when there are legitimate concerns about how things in China goes. Because the US is shit, doesn’t mean China can use that as a standard. Setting the bar so low is why you suck at debating.

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                You are literally angry that no one is gonna let you argue in bad faith

                Nothing “Bad Faith” about it. You’re presented with facts, you reject them for propaganda.

                The conversation dead ends as people downvote anything that rattles their priors.

                Because the US is shit, doesn’t mean China can use that as a standard

                Because the US is ideological, you reject that any other county might be doing better.