Basically, there was a discussion about how instances have rules and Feddit also needs to abide by local (Austrian) law to not get in legal trouble.
And I get called a Zionazi for saying that you cant just up and call for the massacre of civilians, regardless of which side you are on.
It’s also ironic for Dessalines to mock me for sticking to rules and laws to protect our instance.
Just want to clarify that the last thread the OP posted before being banned was them arguing with a lemmy.ml user that they aren’t perpetrating censorship of anti-zionist content, while describing how they censor anti-zionist expression on Feddit.
Why ban?
I also got recently permabanned (reason: Golden Rule #8) from Ye Power Trippin Bastards after I posted Dessalines banning me on .ml despite not having posted anything there in three weeks.
You got banned from YPTB?
Yep. Like an hour ago.
You got banned from lemmy.dbzer0.com entirely. I mean I could’ve seen it coming from 100 miles away. They did make this proposal in the governance community little more than a month ago and it passed with massive support.
Interesting.
That figures. YPTB, for whatever reason, always defends lemmy.ml and tankies and will ban anyone who doesn’t think Israel should be destroyed.
Dbz0 is a very antisemitic instance. They don’t allow any comments or accounts whatsoever defending Israel, even if it’s the innocent civilian populace.
Holding all Israelis accountable for Zionism is not Anti-Zionism: it’s collective guilt, which is antisemitic and racist.
A good rule of thumb to determine racism is if you assign blame based on something someone cannot choose, such as their ethnicity, religion or ancestry, then it’s racist. An Israeli civilian, born in Israel, does not volunteer to be zionist and shouldn’t be held accountable for it.
I’ve found this is a good way to determine if someone is antisemitic or not: Many Israelis and Jews support Zionism, that is, the existence of Israel as a Jewish State. Should being Israeli or Jewish automatically make someone responsible or subject to different treatment because of Zionism or Israel’s actions?
Oh I have understood by now that they don’t care about Israeli civilians. I have been arguing with this guy who keeps badjacketing me and any defense of anything that has to do with Israel even if it is just the uninvolved populace (it is unfair to claim every Israeli supports the ruling party, see protests against Bibi) somehow makes me a liberal Zionist. I am more of a non-Zionist. Any remedial solution that enables Palestinians and Israelis to peacefully coexist is fine with me and yes the settlements in the Westbank that break international law need to be dismantled.
Addendum: I don’t think Israel should be a Jewish ethnostate. It should be a safe haven for anyone.
Yeah, I agree, there should be no such thing as any sort of ethnostate. Or even a religious state for that matter.
I’m speculating here but I would assume that either the lemmy.ml admins came across the thread and saw their zionist apologia, or the lemmy.ml user snitched on them to ml’s admins (either by report or by DM/off-platform). I make no assertions as to which of these are more likely as this is only speculation.
I speculate that their comments apologizing for censorship of anti-zionist sentiment while arguing with a lemmy.ml user was the cause of their ban. It could be something different of course, but it was so close it’s very likely. Also they have very little other participation on lemmy.ml (only enough to trigger a community ban from c/memes so it was likely something recent.
Antizionist opinions are allowed on Feddit. However mathemachristian was being toxic, writing inflammatory comments and acting sort of like antiyanks.
If you can’t state your opinion without being a bigot, then you shouldn’t mention it at all on Feddit.
Your and Feddit’s usage of the word bigot typically means anyone opposing all aspects of Zionism beyond murder and direct violence, and also includes antifascists who are more aggressive with their message, which is why people say Feddit upholds Zionism. In addition to the fact that polite liberal Zionists are able to exist on Feddit without getting moderated in any way. Suffice to say, Feddit stomps out criticism of Zionism where it counts, and allows Zionists who are ““civil””. That makes it a Zionist friendly space.
No it doesn’t. Just because we don’t give you exceptions in rules and don’t allow extremist calls to violence and revanchism, doesn’t mean antizionists are being treated any different than revanchist Zionists.
And yes, both Zionists and Antizionists are allowed to be on Feddit as long as they don’t incite hatred and violence.
I don’t know who you think you’re trying to fool but Feddit’s mod actions and history speak for itself and no amount of your Strawmanning changes this. People see through your lies. Only the Zionists of Feddit or the most sycophantic neoliberals are listening to you.
I am not lying though. My adminning history is consistent. If other admins have unjustly banned someone, it can be discussed. But if you go around trying to justify revanchism on Feddit, you won’t be popular.
I speak about all of feddit’s moderation history because every one of Feddit’s mods hide behind policy or german law, and they probably are just as neoliberal as you are. You also handled it particularly poorly by not only apologizing for the censorship but dismissing anyone who you did ban or silence as just “bigots”.
Being popular in Zionist safe spaces is a bad thing, just like being popular with alt-right fascists is a bad thing. Maybe one day you will realize that being not respectable means you don’t have a say in the social order, nor the ability to create social stigma in people. Because they do not respect you or the platform you stand for, and honestly they shouldn’t.
Anyway I’m done here. There’s nothing new being said at this point.
It isn’t a Zionist safe space though. That would imply that we wouldn’t allow non-Zionists and anti-Zionists on the site, which is false.
And it is not my fault people get banned for inciting hatred, it’s theirs.
“being not respectable” Why do I need the respect of people who sow hatred and revanchism?
Proportion of banned Anti-Zionists and antifasicists is higher than the amount of banned Zionists, that makes it a Zionist safe space, no amount of deflection will change this.
Continuing to dismiss suppressed anti-Zionists and antifascists as hateful. I’m not buying it. I don’t know why you keep bothering. You might as well try and convince me the sky is a deep emerald green.
yawn