I’m sure, then, you regularly object to Pinochet, the Estado Novo, and the Francoist regime being described as fascist?
Yes, because I’m very particular about definitions. Also, not sure if you know what fascist means if you categorize the DPRK as such. It’s by all means a shit state, but by no means a fascist one.
would you like to remind me what word is used for a single-party government which attempts to control and direct all aspects of society from the top-down, without allowance for dissent?
…that’s not what Cuba is? It has some of these aspects yes, but as with all things it’s nuanced.
Cuba is a repressive totalitarian state that gets glazed by some people because it has a coat of red paint.
There’s not much to glaze about Cuba other than their ability to remain stable—and moreso doing better than the DPRK—whilst being crushed under the weight of an unethical US embargo.
No, it really isn’t. Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russia all read from the same playbook with regards to treating the workforce, not just the military, as part of a renewing struggle.
This just isn’t true. Fascism is about ethnonationalism. There isn’t a hint of ethnonationalism in stalinism. The primary struggle of socialist governments is the class struggle; the only struggle that moves history forward. That struggle is intensified because it can bring about socialism. Stop trying to equate that with fascism.
For fascists, domestic society is made anew and strengthened through conflict, international war is to express that supposed strength and ensure continued vitality. The Doctrine of Fascism goes into this.
Conflict as expressed by war. You’ve barely disagreed with me here.
We’re fighting for GOOD PAINT not BAD PAINT" is not very fucking convincing
Of course it isn’t, that’s why you have to do the job of reading the theory and seeing for yourself. I can only do so much here. Fascists intend to create a super race, socialists want workers in power. You decide what ideology you like better.
Yes, because I’m very particular about definitions. Also, not sure if you know what fascist means if you categorize the DPRK as such. It’s by all means a shit state, but by no means a fascist one.
“Palingenetic ethnonationalist state that hits the 14 points of Ur-Fascism isn’t fascist”
I guess it has to be from the Bavaria region of Germany, or it’s just sparkling totalitarianism. Fuck’s sake, do you have any idea what Juche actually espouses?
….that’s not what Cuba is? It has some of these aspects yes, but as with all things it’s nuanced.
It literally has all of those aspects.
There’s not much to glaze about Cuba other than their ability to remain stable—and moreso doing better than the DPRK—whilst being crushed under the weight of an unethical US embargo.
Yes, crushed under the weight of [checks notes] being unable to do business with one (1) capitalist market. The EU even has penalties for any company which so much as complies with the US embargo.
Truly, socialism’s biggest bane - no access to capitalism. 😔
Or maybe fuckwit ML regimes consistently fuck themselves over?
And plenty of people on this very fucking site glaze Cuba all the fucking time.
This just isn’t true. Fascism is about ethnonationalism. There isn’t a hint of ethnonationalism in stalinism.
You’re absolutely right, I’ve never noticed a hint of ethnonationalism in the Great Genius’s ethnic cleansing and his heroic leadership of the Great Patriotic War.
The primary struggle of socialist governments is the class struggle; the only struggle that moves history forward. That struggle is intensified because it can bring about socialism. Stop trying to equate that with fascism.
“Stop trying to equate fascist regimes; my favorite fascist regimes have a coat of red paint!”
Maybe if you endorse the execution of another 100,000 Polish civilians, your vaunted class struggle will finally emerge victorious over the ‘nonexistent’ ethnonationalism of Stalinism.
Conflict as expressed by war. You’ve barely disagreed with me here.
Man, if you’re legitimately too stupid to understand that conflict is broader than war when I explicitly made the differentiation in the very sentence you’re responding to, that’s a you problem.
Of course it isn’t, that’s why you have to do the job of reading the theory and seeing for yourself. I can only do so much here. Fascists intend to create a super race, socialists want workers in power. You decide what ideology you like better.
I’m a leftist, fuckwit. Vanguardist bootlickers are only socialist in the same sense that Strasserists are socialists.
“Read theory”, really fucking unironically saying this? Retake your fucking high school history course, maybe the lines of executed ethnic minorities by The Great Genius’s orders will make a fucking impact on you this time.
And for that matter, fascism’s defining characteristics aren’t racial. There have been numerous non-racist fascist movements, all of them just as shitty, and just as fascist. Including, for that matter, the original position of Italian Fascism.
So great job on expounding on matters you have no fucking idea about. 10/10.
“Palingenetic ethnonationalist state that hits the 14 points of Ur-Fascism isn’t fascist”
The DPRK isn’t ethnonationalist. It’s nationalist, but it doesn’t care about creating a super race. That alone disqualifies it from being fascism. The question here is if YOU know anything Juche. The basic idea of Juche is self reliance and adherence to the guidance of the supreme leader. Nothing fascist. Totalitarian, authoritarian, whatever. But it’s not fascist. Pick up a book dawg.
It literally has all of those aspects.
No it doesn’t.
Yes, crushed under the weight of [checks notes] being unable to do business with one (1) capitalist market.
Are you fucking dense? The embargo explicitly limits Cuba from access to all forms of US technology from medical equipment to payment processors which the US has a monopoly on. It also probes any shipping vessels—no matter the country—that touch Cuban ports and extends the embargo to any countries/companies that do business with nationalised US property. As a result of all this, most countries don’t even attempt to do business with Cuba so as not to take any risks. They are completely rat-fucked by this embargo
You’re absolutely right, I’ve never noticed a hint of ethnonationalism…
The question you have to ask yourself is, “Were there ever any attempts to espouse ideology of racial superiority during Stalin’s regime?” If the answer is no, then you know to stop pursuing this thread and concede that the USSR wasn’t fascist. I’m the last Marxist you’ll find on this site defending Stalin, but that doesn’t mean I’ll let you get away with misinformation.
Maybe if you endorse the execution of another 100,000 Polish civilians
This is the fundamental issue here. You’re so hellbent on smearing the USSR that you make shitty arguments because your arguments rest on nothing but grasping at straws. Slaughtering 100k Poles doesn’t make you a fascist. Your reasons for slaughtering those Poles do. This is like calling apartheid South Africa fascist. Dude, use your brain.
I’m a leftist, fuckwit
Leftist that refuses to realise the reality of Cuba’s situation. Alright bucko.
And for that matter, fascism’s defining characteristics aren’t racial. There have been numerous non-racist fascist movements
Lol, and I’m the one that needs to pick up a history book, with shitty opinions like this from you? Alright buddy
The DPRK isn’t ethnonationalist. It’s nationalist, but it doesn’t care about creating a super race. That alone disqualifies it from being fascism.
Jesus Christ, you really legitimately don’t know anything about North Korea, do you.
The question here is if YOU know anything Juche. The basic idea of Juche is self reliance and adherence to the guidance of the supreme leader. Nothing fascist. Totalitarian, authoritarian, whatever. But it’s not fascist. Pick up a book dawg.
Question: how would you define the two concepts core to fascist ideology generally referred to as “Autarky” and “Fuhrerprinzip”?
No it doesn’t.
Ah, the nuances of the single-party totalitarian state.
Are you fucking dense? The embargo explicitly limits Cuba from access to all forms of US technology from medical equipment to payment processors which the US has a monopoly on. It also probes any shipping vessels—no matter the country—that touch Cuban ports and extends the embargo to any countries/companies that do business with nationalised US property. As a result of all this, most countries don’t even attempt to do business with Cuba so as not to take any risks. They are completely rat-fucked by this embargo
Christ. You also know nothing about the post-Cold War embargo either. Unsurprising.
The question you have to ask yourself is, “Were there ever any attempts to espouse ideology of racial superiority during Stalin’s regime?”
Already pointed out that racialism is not a key component of fascism, dipshit. Sorry that you’re too illiterate to parse that.
If the answer is no, then you know to stop pursuing this thread and concede that the USSR wasn’t fascist. I’m the last Marxist you’ll find on this site defending Stalin, but that doesn’t mean I’ll let you get away with misinformation.
The last Marxist I’ll find defending Stalin, but a Marxist defending Stalin all the same. Like the last conservative defending Nazism.
This is the fundamental issue here. You’re so hellbent on smearing the USSR that you make shitty arguments because your arguments rest on nothing but grasping at straws. Slaughtering 100k Poles doesn’t make you a fascist. Your reasons for slaughtering those Poles do. This is like calling apartheid South Africa fascist. Dude, use your brain.
Would you like to tell me what wonderful reasons there were for the Polish Operation of the NKVD?
Or is it the PEOPLE’S ethnic cleansing?
Leftist that refuses to realise the reality of Cuba’s situation. Alright bucko.
“The embargo is bad, but access to a single capitalist market, as the majority of the world has completely ignored the US embargo since the fall of the SovUnion, should not actually wreck a socialist economy, suggesting that there are deeper problems.”
“HOW DARE YOU NOT RECOGNIZE THE REALITY OF CUBA’S SITUATION 😭😭😭😭😭 btw Stalin was just trying to pursue class warfare when he ordered the murder of inconvenient ethnic minorities!!!”
Red painted boot leather must taste delicious compared to the normal brown variety.
Or maybe you’d be thrilled to lick brownshirt boots, too. I won’t pretend to know you well enough to make a prediction either way there.
Lol, and I’m the one that needs to pick up a history book, with shitty opinions like this from you? Alright buddy
[sigh]
Would you like to tell me what Fascist Italy’s racial policy was for the first decade of its existence?
Would you like to talk about Brazilian Integralism?
Would you like to talk about early Peronism?
Or is that all too factual for your bootlicking worldview to handle?
Alright buddy I’m just about done here. I have nothing to gain from pursuing this argument with you further. There’s also nobody I’m likely to convince of my point reading this, so I’m done here.
I have nothing to gain from pursuing this argument with you further. There’s also nobody I’m likely to convince of my point reading this, so I’m done here.
Yeah, that’s the position one finds oneself in when making idiotic dogshit claims like “Fuhrerprinzip isn’t fascist” and “Racialism, despite not being a component of numerous fascist movements, including the original Italian Fascism, is THE foundation of fascism” and “North Korea isn’t ethnonationalist” (Jesus Christ) and “Papa Stalin weren’t no fascist! Look, he wore red!”
Yes, because I’m very particular about definitions. Also, not sure if you know what fascist means if you categorize the DPRK as such. It’s by all means a shit state, but by no means a fascist one.
…that’s not what Cuba is? It has some of these aspects yes, but as with all things it’s nuanced.
There’s not much to glaze about Cuba other than their ability to remain stable—and moreso doing better than the DPRK—whilst being crushed under the weight of an unethical US embargo.
This just isn’t true. Fascism is about ethnonationalism. There isn’t a hint of ethnonationalism in stalinism. The primary struggle of socialist governments is the class struggle; the only struggle that moves history forward. That struggle is intensified because it can bring about socialism. Stop trying to equate that with fascism.
Conflict as expressed by war. You’ve barely disagreed with me here.
Of course it isn’t, that’s why you have to do the job of reading the theory and seeing for yourself. I can only do so much here. Fascists intend to create a super race, socialists want workers in power. You decide what ideology you like better.
“Palingenetic ethnonationalist state that hits the 14 points of Ur-Fascism isn’t fascist”
I guess it has to be from the Bavaria region of Germany, or it’s just sparkling totalitarianism. Fuck’s sake, do you have any idea what Juche actually espouses?
It literally has all of those aspects.
Yes, crushed under the weight of [checks notes] being unable to do business with one (1) capitalist market. The EU even has penalties for any company which so much as complies with the US embargo.
Truly, socialism’s biggest bane - no access to capitalism. 😔
Or maybe fuckwit ML regimes consistently fuck themselves over?
And plenty of people on this very fucking site glaze Cuba all the fucking time.
You’re absolutely right, I’ve never noticed a hint of ethnonationalism in the Great Genius’s ethnic cleansing and his heroic leadership of the Great Patriotic War.
“Stop trying to equate fascist regimes; my favorite fascist regimes have a coat of red paint!”
Maybe if you endorse the execution of another 100,000 Polish civilians, your vaunted class struggle will finally emerge victorious over the ‘nonexistent’ ethnonationalism of Stalinism.
Man, if you’re legitimately too stupid to understand that conflict is broader than war when I explicitly made the differentiation in the very sentence you’re responding to, that’s a you problem.
I’m a leftist, fuckwit. Vanguardist bootlickers are only socialist in the same sense that Strasserists are socialists.
“Read theory”, really fucking unironically saying this? Retake your fucking high school history course, maybe the lines of executed ethnic minorities by The Great Genius’s orders will make a fucking impact on you this time.
And for that matter, fascism’s defining characteristics aren’t racial. There have been numerous non-racist fascist movements, all of them just as shitty, and just as fascist. Including, for that matter, the original position of Italian Fascism.
So great job on expounding on matters you have no fucking idea about. 10/10.
The DPRK isn’t ethnonationalist. It’s nationalist, but it doesn’t care about creating a super race. That alone disqualifies it from being fascism. The question here is if YOU know anything Juche. The basic idea of Juche is self reliance and adherence to the guidance of the supreme leader. Nothing fascist. Totalitarian, authoritarian, whatever. But it’s not fascist. Pick up a book dawg.
No it doesn’t.
Are you fucking dense? The embargo explicitly limits Cuba from access to all forms of US technology from medical equipment to payment processors which the US has a monopoly on. It also probes any shipping vessels—no matter the country—that touch Cuban ports and extends the embargo to any countries/companies that do business with nationalised US property. As a result of all this, most countries don’t even attempt to do business with Cuba so as not to take any risks. They are completely rat-fucked by this embargo
The question you have to ask yourself is, “Were there ever any attempts to espouse ideology of racial superiority during Stalin’s regime?” If the answer is no, then you know to stop pursuing this thread and concede that the USSR wasn’t fascist. I’m the last Marxist you’ll find on this site defending Stalin, but that doesn’t mean I’ll let you get away with misinformation.
This is the fundamental issue here. You’re so hellbent on smearing the USSR that you make shitty arguments because your arguments rest on nothing but grasping at straws. Slaughtering 100k Poles doesn’t make you a fascist. Your reasons for slaughtering those Poles do. This is like calling apartheid South Africa fascist. Dude, use your brain.
Leftist that refuses to realise the reality of Cuba’s situation. Alright bucko.
Lol, and I’m the one that needs to pick up a history book, with shitty opinions like this from you? Alright buddy
Jesus Christ, you really legitimately don’t know anything about North Korea, do you.
Question: how would you define the two concepts core to fascist ideology generally referred to as “Autarky” and “Fuhrerprinzip”?
Ah, the nuances of the single-party totalitarian state.
Christ. You also know nothing about the post-Cold War embargo either. Unsurprising.
Already pointed out that racialism is not a key component of fascism, dipshit. Sorry that you’re too illiterate to parse that.
The last Marxist I’ll find defending Stalin, but a Marxist defending Stalin all the same. Like the last conservative defending Nazism.
Would you like to tell me what wonderful reasons there were for the Polish Operation of the NKVD?
Or is it the PEOPLE’S ethnic cleansing?
“The embargo is bad, but access to a single capitalist market, as the majority of the world has completely ignored the US embargo since the fall of the SovUnion, should not actually wreck a socialist economy, suggesting that there are deeper problems.”
“HOW DARE YOU NOT RECOGNIZE THE REALITY OF CUBA’S SITUATION 😭😭😭😭😭 btw Stalin was just trying to pursue class warfare when he ordered the murder of inconvenient ethnic minorities!!!”
Red painted boot leather must taste delicious compared to the normal brown variety.
Or maybe you’d be thrilled to lick brownshirt boots, too. I won’t pretend to know you well enough to make a prediction either way there.
[sigh]
Would you like to tell me what Fascist Italy’s racial policy was for the first decade of its existence?
Would you like to talk about Brazilian Integralism?
Would you like to talk about early Peronism?
Or is that all too factual for your bootlicking worldview to handle?
Alright buddy I’m just about done here. I have nothing to gain from pursuing this argument with you further. There’s also nobody I’m likely to convince of my point reading this, so I’m done here.
Yeah, that’s the position one finds oneself in when making idiotic dogshit claims like “Fuhrerprinzip isn’t fascist” and “Racialism, despite not being a component of numerous fascist movements, including the original Italian Fascism, is THE foundation of fascism” and “North Korea isn’t ethnonationalist” (Jesus Christ) and “Papa Stalin weren’t no fascist! Look, he wore red!”