Pic relevant. I’ve tried playing the new Civ games several times, and quickly end up quitting because I find them too overwhelming and find it hard to want to deal with the learning curve.

It occurred to me that part of the problem might be that I was jumping into a very old franchise that has been getting increasingly complicated over the years. Had a hunch I would have better luck with the original, so I went onto one of those play-dos-in-your-browser sites, dove in, and sure enough I am hooked!

Do I know what I’m doing? Not really, but stuff is happening and my civilization is growing, and it’s a good time.

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    Peaked at Civ 4, been downhill from there.

    If the idea of having Civs that change with the era, but Leaders who stay the same appeals to you…

    Humankind did it better than Civ 7.

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      Humankind had so much potential. I wish they had spent more time fleshing out the late game and fixing their multiplayer code.

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        I mean they have been rolling out updates and fixes since launch, couple of content packs, balance tweaks, reworked a number of systems…

        They’re currently working on a scenario, WW2 Pacific, sounds at least broadly similar to the kinds of scenarios in earlier Civ games, in concept.

        I would hope that after that, they can eventually get to something approaching proper mod tools.

        Yeah, it was a bit of a buggy mess of a launch, no arguing that, but they have been and are still just slowly refining and improving the game.

        Of the seemingly fairly small number of people still playing it… Recent Reviews = Mostly Positive.


        Personally, I don’t know why you’d play any deep strategy game multiplayer.

        Every time I’ve tried multiplayer, in any 4X / Grand Strategy game… everyone is annoyed that I am taking too long, to, you know, evaluate this considerably complex strategy game, with tons of potential upside to taking your time to micro manage things.

        If I am able to take my time, I tend to snowball and by mid or late game, be either winning to the point everyone else quits, or be the only reason why a group of players vs group of AIs game has not totally fallen apart yet.

        But I am one of those apparently rare people who plays single player on the biggest maps and slowest time scales my system can manage…

        … I just have way more enjoyment that way, and I appreciate that the AI in Humankind at least seems to me to be generally better at playing the game than most AIs in most 4X / Grand Strat games, when the player and AIs are on an equal footing in terms of bonuses/maluses.

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          My partner and I love to sit next to each other and play these kinds of games co-op — or mostly co-op since they have a bad habit of going Gandhi in 4X games. It’s us versus the world, as it’s always been. ❤️

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            Ah, well, I’ve never had a partner with any interest in strategy games.

            Foreign concept to me.

            That is a pretty good reason to care about multiplayer tho, lol.