Okay you are ready to take a stand for freedom!
You are going to use an OS that isn’t going to bend the knee and comply with age verification laws. I solute you, comrade!
Here are the likely consequences of your choice:
The Feds aren’t coming after you. You aren’t going to be out on a watch list.
What will likely happen is that if you try to log into your Facebook account you will get a message that says “Your Operating System is not currently supported. Your user experience will be limited to Groups labeled “Everyone”.”
That’s basically it. Your personal user experience will be limited to “kid friendly” areas of the Internet. (Same with apps and games.)
That’s the real driver of these laws. Facebook and other app producers know that the days where they can just shrug off child predators using their products is coming to and end. Regardless of your opinion on age verification is as a solution, child predators are a real world problem and it’s not just the parents fault. The platforms have some responsibility too.
Which is exactly what Facebook and the others specifically don’t want -responsibility for their own platforms. That’s why they are pushing for these laws that off load their responsibility onto the OS makers. Then they can just say “Oh, we don’t have any responsibility for this child being abused in our platform. We asked the OS what the user’s age was and the OS reported 18+. What else could we have done?”
So, that’s the consequence if you choose to use an OS that refuses to comply. You’ll just be relegated to the kid friendly version of website, games, and applications.
(On the other hand, if your OS chooses to falsely report to a website or an app an age for a child that is abused, then the OS should also be held responsible. But at that point you can go ahead and blame the parents too for letting their child use an OS that isn’t safe for them to use.)
The browsers sooner or later will always respond “18+” and do not ask the OS.
… And if a kid using that browser was abused because the browser lied to the website about the users’ age, then the browser’s creators should bare some consequences for lying to the website that otherwise would have put up protections. Right?
Ever heard of parents? It’s not the job of the OS or the browserto monitor and control a kids internet access.
In most jurisdictions you need to be an adult to legally get an Internet access.
So people using the Internet are either adults or under the supervision of adults.
Perhaps we could update our software licenses to include “no implied babysitting”.
Yes it is. It absolutely is. If you provide a service, you should responsible for the safety of that service, especially if you are providing and advertising that service to kids.
At its core, neither an operating system nor a browser is a service. They are effectively data that the users are serving to themselves. There are certainly some operating systems and browsers that contain the ability to connect a service as a plugin or (I would say) maliciously include a connection to a service by default such as targeted advertising, but those services are neither the OS nor the browser.
Right. That’s why Facebook is trying to get the laws changed so that it’s the OS that is responsible.
There is a big conspiracy behind this, it’s just not a shadowy-government one.
I don’t know if you meant to, but you completely ignored the point. Your comment directly quoted @Dirk@lemmy.ml and edited out “OS” and “browser”. You then began talking about how “services” have an obligation.
EDIT: I jumbled usernames. My bad.
Right, I was making the point that just like the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church can’t just shrug off their responsibility, online orgs don’t get a free pass either.
But if these laws are passed, then they will get a free pass, and just point at the OS maker as the problem. Be mad about that and I’m on your side.
No, absoluetly not. Because the whole thing is notnto protect the children, but to gather more data.
Do you also believe that the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church also have no responsibility to protect kids, because doing to would similarly require collecting data on people?
(I would disagree with you if you said yes, but I’ll respect your position for being consistent.)
That is a completely different premise. A) putting “Catholic church” and “protect children” in the same sentence is already a bold move B) if I place my child in the boy scouts I do have some expectations on them to protect the child, correct. But that’s not the all or nothing situation you mentioned in your example
My point is the same as with DNS Blocking: It is proposed under the umbrella of “think about the kids”, but it doesn’t work for what they propose it and it is a first step in creating the base of a censorship infrastructure. The govements (and by that I mean all of them not just the US) should hold the platform’s accountable for shit they mess up now and don’t accept “Sorry we can’t do that at scale” as an answer. Google and meta should act much harder on reports by the community. interestingly, they CAN act fast and hard for copyright stuff or other things which would reduce their earnings. As long as the governments won’t act based on existing measures, I can’t take any new ones serious
(3rd option: don’t accept the premise)
So you are going with: Deny the problem of child sexual predators exists at all.
Do not accept the premise of assholes.
There will always be sites that don’t care and won’t comply with any OS level restrictions in the first place. You will never solve this.
Also, in the USA - there’s no suggestions floating around for a 16 or under age ban on accessing social media, moreover, I’m not sure if that specifically is even constitutional.
And I’ll support strong laws that hold those sites accountable for negligence. I’m really struggling to see why this is so controversial.
Many of whom won’t be based in the USA.
You want a “papers please” internet and technology sphere, and you’re calling for this on a federated platform heavily populated by people who want to get away from all of that. What sort of response do you expect?