• stickyprimer@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    24
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    7 hours ago

    Folks, this is coming from your government. The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can. Switching between phone makers will not help, and is not the right place to put your energy. Address your concerns to your governments.

    • bluetoofs@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 minute ago

      Taking it up with our governments is fruitless as well. The days of governments actually giving a shit about what we want are over. If you’re not flush with cash, your voice can and will be overridden at the drop of a hat.

    • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 hours ago

      The phone makers want your data just as much as the government does. Data is money and power.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 hours ago

        They have other ways of determining your age without requiring an extremely unpopular ID check.

        • Ravel@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          59 minutes ago

          I don’t think there is any way to actually functionally verify age without either an ID check, or a check that ultimately traces back to an ID check from some entity further up the chain. Any successful age check will either dox your identity to the checker, or it can be trivially bypassed.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            52 minutes ago

            You’re forgetting that they don’t NEED to know precise age unless they’re doing it for a government mandated age check.

            For marketing purposes, which is what they REALLY want your data for, they have a profile of you that’s accurate enough even if your age is off by 5 years.

            • Ravel@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              44 minutes ago

              The capitalist part that wants money can build an accurate enough profile with just statistical correlations, but the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 minutes ago

                But the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.

                Yes, that’s the government mandated age check requirements and anti-encryption legislation. Of course many of the people lobbying for these things are rich capitalists, but not exclusively - there are also religious nutcases and overall just people who enjoy having control over others. As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money and if they make you jump through hoops (age verification), you’re actually less likely to give them your money.

                • Ravel@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  4 minutes ago

                  As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money

                  Maybe awhile back, but at this point they are kind of melding with the fascists. Social media, mainstream news, financial architecture, and communication networks controlled by corporations are definitely being backed by increasingly fascist organizations which definitely value total control over everything else.

        • SaraTonin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          4 hours ago

          Some are accepting having a credit card in Wallet as proof of age, as well as simply having an old enough Apple account

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 hours ago

            My Apple account is only like a decade old but if YouTube asks me for age verification I’m gonna be writing them a sternly worded letter because my account is old enough to buy alcohol in my country

    • Seefra 1@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      5 hours ago

      The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can.

      Doubt. This way they have excuses to farm user data.

      • stickyprimer@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        5 hours ago

        It was this coalition of big tech companies that blocked Texas SB2420 from going into effect on Jan 1 of this year.

        Believe me my dude if they wanted your birthdate they would have gotten it before. Or more likely they already have it without this.