Don’t know if I’d call that an intention of the machine but rather the creator. Hate to be that kind of person but it’s similar to the whole thing of “guns don’t kill, people do.”
LLMs aren’t people. They’re not self-aware and don’t have any inner complexities like say, a dog, or a sheep has. There’s no drive or motivation. It’s just maths.
If you tie someone to a train track, and a train comes along killing them, it’s not like the train or the track intended to kill the person. That was the intent of you, who “programmed” the scenario.
Similar to guns, strict control is what will be needed to fix these kinds of things. Megalomaniac billionaires who see people as nothing but numbers running amok with narcissistic manipulator systems isn’t a recipe for anything good.
Ok, technically you are correct. Still they are lies or let’s call it disinformation or propaganda.
Wether the output is controlled by the machine it self having a mind (which of course is sci-fi) or by those who control the machine.
What you’re calling lies are false positives. To lie you have to know the truth. AI’s are ignorant. They don’t know what anything is, as all they “know” is mathematical patterns in 1’s and 0’s.
They would only be lies if Google engineers explicitly overrided the model to output the false information. What most implementations of LLM’s are is weaponized incompetence, for-profit. Capitalists know they output false information, and they don’t care, because their only goal is profit and power.
If it’s shown to the newspaper that they are lies and they keep on printing them, then yes I do call them liars as well. Whatever you want to call it, you must admit they are culpable for spreading disinformation.
No, you are proving my point here. You say ‘they’ as in the publishers/owners/printers of the newspaper. You don’t blame ‘it’ the literal, physical piece of paper you are holding in your hands.
In the same way that you would not say a clock was lying to you if it displays the wrong time.
It doesn’t really matter whether it’s the Machine or the creator.
The point is, AIs can be programmed to lie, much like Grok does. And if they can be programmed to lie, then they are not reliable for anything at all. We are going through a decent period where AI can be used for a few things reliably, but even these will surely be enshittified.
It matters because every time we anthropomorphize Generative AI LLM’S we re-enforce peoples belief in their ability to tell lies or truths.
People’s believe is what leads to trust in them and things like AI psychosis.
An interesting way to look at it is AI also can’t tell the truth.
What it does is generate the next likely word or words based on its most significant statistical positive in its database. So it doesn’t know anything. It doesn’t tell truth. It doesn’t tell lies. It isn’t an entity. The people behind it are allowing it to present information as factual and we have no reason to trust them.
Oooh, philosophy! I disagree. I think that if a person programs a LLM to give disinformation, that’s all it is. A lie giving misinformation knowing that’s it’s disinformation, intending do deceive. The LLM doesn’t know what’s true or false. It doesn’t intend anything, because it is not a conscious entity. The person who programmed it can be lying by disseminating false information, the LLM cannot, any more than a broken clock or thermometer is ‘lying’ about the time or temperature.
I am trying to get away from the philosophy actually 😅 in the end what matters is how these tools are being used, not so much their inherent characteristics.
Can you envision a world where AI chatbots will be used to lead you down certain political beliefs (e.g. capitalism good, socialism bad) product recommendations will be made based on how much brands are willing to pay for ad placements, and your psychological state will be measured and molded to the interests of the AI owner? I can. It’s also already happening.
You can give them intentions. Grok is not a Nazi by Magic.
Don’t know if I’d call that an intention of the machine but rather the creator. Hate to be that kind of person but it’s similar to the whole thing of “guns don’t kill, people do.”
LLMs aren’t people. They’re not self-aware and don’t have any inner complexities like say, a dog, or a sheep has. There’s no drive or motivation. It’s just maths.
If you tie someone to a train track, and a train comes along killing them, it’s not like the train or the track intended to kill the person. That was the intent of you, who “programmed” the scenario.
Similar to guns, strict control is what will be needed to fix these kinds of things. Megalomaniac billionaires who see people as nothing but numbers running amok with narcissistic manipulator systems isn’t a recipe for anything good.
Ok, technically you are correct. Still they are lies or let’s call it disinformation or propaganda. Wether the output is controlled by the machine it self having a mind (which of course is sci-fi) or by those who control the machine.
What you’re calling lies are false positives. To lie you have to know the truth. AI’s are ignorant. They don’t know what anything is, as all they “know” is mathematical patterns in 1’s and 0’s.
They would only be lies if Google engineers explicitly overrided the model to output the false information. What most implementations of LLM’s are is weaponized incompetence, for-profit. Capitalists know they output false information, and they don’t care, because their only goal is profit and power.
If Google knows it outputs falsehoods and lets it continue it becomes purposeful. That makes them lies in my book.
If a newspaper prints lies you don’t say the physical piece of pulped up tree you are holding is lying to you, you say the author is.
If it’s shown to the newspaper that they are lies and they keep on printing them, then yes I do call them liars as well. Whatever you want to call it, you must admit they are culpable for spreading disinformation.
No, you are proving my point here. You say ‘they’ as in the publishers/owners/printers of the newspaper. You don’t blame ‘it’ the literal, physical piece of paper you are holding in your hands.
In the same way that you would not say a clock was lying to you if it displays the wrong time.
OK, so I don’t blame the GPUs crunching out the LLM lies, or the HTML on the page, I blame Google the company that programmed them.
It doesn’t really matter whether it’s the Machine or the creator.
The point is, AIs can be programmed to lie, much like Grok does. And if they can be programmed to lie, then they are not reliable for anything at all. We are going through a decent period where AI can be used for a few things reliably, but even these will surely be enshittified.
It matters because every time we anthropomorphize Generative AI LLM’S we re-enforce peoples belief in their ability to tell lies or truths.
People’s believe is what leads to trust in them and things like AI psychosis.
An interesting way to look at it is AI also can’t tell the truth.
What it does is generate the next likely word or words based on its most significant statistical positive in its database. So it doesn’t know anything. It doesn’t tell truth. It doesn’t tell lies. It isn’t an entity. The people behind it are allowing it to present information as factual and we have no reason to trust them.
Oooh, philosophy! I disagree. I think that if a person programs a LLM to give disinformation, that’s all it is. A lie giving misinformation knowing that’s it’s disinformation, intending do deceive. The LLM doesn’t know what’s true or false. It doesn’t intend anything, because it is not a conscious entity. The person who programmed it can be lying by disseminating false information, the LLM cannot, any more than a broken clock or thermometer is ‘lying’ about the time or temperature.
I am trying to get away from the philosophy actually 😅 in the end what matters is how these tools are being used, not so much their inherent characteristics.
Can you envision a world where AI chatbots will be used to lead you down certain political beliefs (e.g. capitalism good, socialism bad) product recommendations will be made based on how much brands are willing to pay for ad placements, and your psychological state will be measured and molded to the interests of the AI owner? I can. It’s also already happening.