Microsoft is raising prices on all its current Surface PC offerings, with the midrange devices now starting at above $1,000, and flagships starting at $1,500.
I honestly feel that’s less of a diss on the Neo and more of a statement on how overpowered phones are now, especially considering the limitations placed on mobile OSes.
Compared against a bunch of laptops in the price class from dell, HP, etc and the single-core performance is like 50% higher on the iPhone CPU in the macbook neo.
I can’t wait for more ARM CPUs that hit these specs for a reasonable price.
ARM cpus are great for battery life and aren’t saddled with decades of legacy support, what they are not is a physics bending device. It’s not a geekbench benchmark that is going to change the reality of physics. Now, if one’s use of a computing device is circumscribed to opening web pages, then the iPhone is the device for you. Also, don’t forget to breathe in and breathe out.
As someone who was very excited about ARM several years ago and still is using ARM for half of my homelab equipment, it’s unfortunately rapidly become irrelevant. x86 CPUs can now run as efficiently at the same TDP while still beating it in performance with all the benefits of x86. Unless something unforeseen changes, I probably won’t be buying any more ARM machines for homelab/server use. Still using what I already own, of course.
RISC-V seems cool though, but not sure that it will be more attractive than x86.
I’m still excited, ARM is still a gen ahead of x86 in power constrained situations, for energy efficiency, where peak compute is not a requirement. That illusion fades away fast though, when one multitasks or needs a non hardware accelerated pipeline. For single purpose devices like game consoles, that advantage in power consumption looks mighty sweet. Let’s see what AMD conjures up for the next gen PS6 or as a response to Lunar lake. The mobile ecosystem, especially Apple, have a vertical integration that makes HW development more agile as they are not saddled by decades of legacy support and tech debt.
Those single core performance numbers are entirely benchmaxxed and don’t reflect real world performance or reality at all
EDIT: downvoters in denial. They get better synthetic Geekbench numbers compared to some of the latest desktop x86 processors (“beats” 7950X and “meets” 9950X), but get absolutely smoked by those same processors in real use. Maybe your only use of a computer is running Geekbench idk.
Your words were correct but not your laughing smug face. You said it like it was some kind of own when really it was complementing iPhone’s.
I’ll hate on all the companies in the world, but I’ll do it based on facts and not allow my bias to make me look like a clown, as it did for you here.
Just try and be better is all I ask, else we may as well go hang around on r/conservative with all the other folk that don’t fact check and have no integrity.
Calling an iPhone mediocre hardware is like calling an android mediocre hardware, neither statement is true.
You seem to think I’m defending Apple, but I’m not I’m just calling you out for being dense.
Replace the target of your original comment with Android and I’d still be here calling you out BECAUSE I DONT CHANGE MY FUCKING VIEWS BASED ON WHETHER I LIKE THE COMPANY OR NOT AS THAT REEKS OF A LACK OF INTEGRITY.
Now fuck off with your silly memes ya cunt. You got ratio’d on Lemmy (the leftist and most anti capitalist place I know, shouldn’t that show you’re fundamentally wrong given every fucker here would be the first to shit on Apple).
Whatever dude. You’re not going to bring me round to your warped bias view and I’m not going to instil any integrity or common sense into you so let’s go our separate ways as there’s nothing more to be said.
No hard feelings you silly cunt 😂. For what it’s worth I hope you have a wonderful day.
I’m just correct, sorry. Not sure why you take the fact that Apple is selling a laptop made from phone hardware so personally? Apparently stating truth is bias and being a clown. 🤔
And it uses literally the same exact hardware as the iPhone 🤣
I honestly feel that’s less of a diss on the Neo and more of a statement on how overpowered phones are now, especially considering the limitations placed on mobile OSes.
Some of the same hardware, yes.
But also - the CPU/GPU in the iPhones are insane.
Compared against a bunch of laptops in the price class from dell, HP, etc and the single-core performance is like 50% higher on the iPhone CPU in the macbook neo.
I can’t wait for more ARM CPUs that hit these specs for a reasonable price.
ARM cpus are great for battery life and aren’t saddled with decades of legacy support, what they are not is a physics bending device. It’s not a geekbench benchmark that is going to change the reality of physics. Now, if one’s use of a computing device is circumscribed to opening web pages, then the iPhone is the device for you. Also, don’t forget to breathe in and breathe out.
As someone who was very excited about ARM several years ago and still is using ARM for half of my homelab equipment, it’s unfortunately rapidly become irrelevant. x86 CPUs can now run as efficiently at the same TDP while still beating it in performance with all the benefits of x86. Unless something unforeseen changes, I probably won’t be buying any more ARM machines for homelab/server use. Still using what I already own, of course.
RISC-V seems cool though, but not sure that it will be more attractive than x86.
I’m still excited, ARM is still a gen ahead of x86 in power constrained situations, for energy efficiency, where peak compute is not a requirement. That illusion fades away fast though, when one multitasks or needs a non hardware accelerated pipeline. For single purpose devices like game consoles, that advantage in power consumption looks mighty sweet. Let’s see what AMD conjures up for the next gen PS6 or as a response to Lunar lake. The mobile ecosystem, especially Apple, have a vertical integration that makes HW development more agile as they are not saddled by decades of legacy support and tech debt.
This seems nonsensical to me. It’s physically impossible for ARM competitors to match the performance of Apple ARM?
Not to mention that we’re talking about their lowest-specced CPU here and there are far more powerful ones.
Those single core performance numbers are entirely benchmaxxed and don’t reflect real world performance or reality at all
EDIT: downvoters in denial. They get better synthetic Geekbench numbers compared to some of the latest desktop x86 processors (“beats” 7950X and “meets” 9950X), but get absolutely smoked by those same processors in real use. Maybe your only use of a computer is running Geekbench idk.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+A18+Pro+(MacBook+Neo)&id=7232
Seems you let you bias take over rather than actually knowing why you’re talking about.
Except I’m factually correct.
Your words were correct but not your laughing smug face. You said it like it was some kind of own when really it was complementing iPhone’s.
I’ll hate on all the companies in the world, but I’ll do it based on facts and not allow my bias to make me look like a clown, as it did for you here.
Just try and be better is all I ask, else we may as well go hang around on r/conservative with all the other folk that don’t fact check and have no integrity.
And I’m supposed to be the biased one who looks like a clown?? 🤣
Brother, we aren’t talking about phones, we are talking about laptops. Yes, it is a huge own.
As you’ve admitted, I’m factually correct.
Calling an iPhone mediocre hardware is like calling an android mediocre hardware, neither statement is true.
You seem to think I’m defending Apple, but I’m not I’m just calling you out for being dense.
Replace the target of your original comment with Android and I’d still be here calling you out BECAUSE I DONT CHANGE MY FUCKING VIEWS BASED ON WHETHER I LIKE THE COMPANY OR NOT AS THAT REEKS OF A LACK OF INTEGRITY.
Now fuck off with your silly memes ya cunt. You got ratio’d on Lemmy (the leftist and most anti capitalist place I know, shouldn’t that show you’re fundamentally wrong given every fucker here would be the first to shit on Apple).
The laptop is extremely mediocre. I wouldn’t want a laptop made from an Android phone, either.
Your one downvote isn’t a ratio…
Whatever dude. You’re not going to bring me round to your warped bias view and I’m not going to instil any integrity or common sense into you so let’s go our separate ways as there’s nothing more to be said.
No hard feelings you silly cunt 😂. For what it’s worth I hope you have a wonderful day.
I’m just correct, sorry. Not sure why you take the fact that Apple is selling a laptop made from phone hardware so personally? Apparently stating truth is bias and being a clown. 🤔
Not exactly, it’s a binned version. 5 GPU cores instead of the 6 on the iPhone. Still, it’s pretty impressive for what it’s able to do.