It just means they have to write “mistakes” or “performance issues” on the paperwork instead of “replaced by robots”
You massively underestimate the efficiency of Chinese social policies.
996 is not legal either and yet many companies did that. I’m sure many still do, it’s a hypercapitalist country just like the US.
I’m not going to hand my money to that paywall on such an overstimulating website riddled with AI.
China (its court, anyways) is a civil law jurisdiction (i.e. precedent doesn’t exist too much) so I’m curious what law’s letter is being applied here.
Just to save your eyes from being assaulted (had to turn off styling):
Thank you for your service. I almost got cancer by looking at the website.
How the hell does an article that we can’t even read get so many upvotes.
Stuff like this really shakes my belief in the voting system.
Headline goes brrrrrr… I guess?
My take as well.
Was recently “assaulted” by a load of China-stans. So I assume this is similar pro-china (neutral about it) or at least anti-US (positive about that) community upvoting it.Yeah, I certainly don’t wanna just blindly promote china, they do a lot of things I find abhorrent, but it can’t be denied that they are so much better than the US in a number of areas.
Totally in agreement.
Because hate for AI is so blind that you can post anything and people will immediately fall for it.
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People only read the title, not the article
You can’t require reading the article before someone vote/comment, but what if communities could enable “ponder voting” where users can only vote 30 seconds after viewing the post? This would prevent people from scrolling by from voting, but people who at least slightly skim the article first won’t be affected.
Probably not viably due to it having to be supported by all platforms, but just a thought.
EDIT: It could work by returning a JWT with a post ID and time when fetching the post and having the vote endpoint support providing it. Although, I can also see it being a bit annoying and being trivially bypassed by adding some code to the client.
Is this a China propaganda site? Sure reads like it is.
Step 1: give unrealistic KPI, cited performance increase due to AI Step 2: put employee into PIP Step 3: fire employee due to performance Step 4: do stock buyback because you have extra budget from firing employees
I’m not sure about step 4. I mean, China is pretty strict with those kinds of things.
Step 5: hire employee back as part of expansion plan and because AI did it poorly.
Hire employees back as contractors instead, because those people are desperate.
True story. Seen it happen so many times
China has better worker’s policies than America.
This one policy is better in this extremely superficial description.
Neither country has workers rights on par with Europe for example.
Valid.
Neither country has workers rights on par with Europe for example.
For now. Now watch us fuck it all up.
Europe has executed CEO’s for violating their worker’s human rights?
financial fraud and corruption are not violating workers’ human rights
They absolutely are. When a building collapses due to the safety inspectors being bribed, it’s not the rich people that die – they live in the nice buildings. When an investigation into fair wages gets bribed away who suffers? The workers.
When a politician spends his career working against the workers who suffers? The Workers.
China at a local level is incredibly directly democratic, with workers voting on most things. Directly going against the will of the people is harming those people’s essential right to self determination, compromising their safety, and denying them all other rights afforded by China’s constitution.
While this isn’t actually how money works in any country, the workers pay the wages of the politicians, they demand honest service, and the whole system is based on the idea that can be done.
Murdering people isn’t the flex you think it is.
Murder is when crimes against humanity are prosecuted. You’re so smart.
Hey, if you cool with human rights violations and state sanctioned murder that is on you.
I’m not okay with human rights violations, which is why I support jury trial enabled capital punishment for those committing human rights abuses, like every CEO China has executed.
Capital punishment is a human rights violation silly.
Did you even hear about America’s Apple’s Foxconn factory in China where the factory has nets on the windows to stop the frequent ‘inconvenient’ problem of cheap labor workers attempts of window jump suicides, for example? Co-operative structure (worker-owned) companies have more likelihood to have more human policies to, uh, themselves, than ponzi scheme corporations. Despite a fancy socialist (‘communist’) sounding title of government structure, Russia and China both took International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans, with their conditions of worker rights suffocation policies and market concentration monopolization policies. America’s and China’s feudalist monopolist billionaires have a lot more proximity of ideology than either of their propaganda machines has acknowledged so far.
Yeah, I know about all of that, and they still have a better working environment than Americans.
As China has prospered, they have managed to reduce most poverty in their nation. As we have prospered under MAGA, Americans’ quality of life is decreasing, and the slide is increasing. China is going the right way, we are definitely going the wrong way.
I’m not saying that China doesn’t have issues, but they are still committed to the betterment of their country’s future, while American leaders are ONLY concerned with exploiting our country and it’s people to the absolute maximum degree. They don’t want to leave one illegal penny on the table.
I don’t want to be China, but I don’t want to be MAGAMERICA either.
They’re a worker’s republic, of course they do.
There are so many speech restrictions and humans rights violations in China that scare the hell out of me, but then I see rulings like this and their progress on robotics and tech and I think “Well, they are doing something right…” I hope one day there is more free speech for people in China who deserve to be able to say what they want.
It’s a great ruling because companies that would normally favor efficiency and profit increases are in a better position to take these existing workers and utilize them in different ways than just have everyone fired en masse and then somehow the market will sort it out. Even under classical economic theories, governments are supposed to regulate externalities and AI displacing workers too rapidly could be considered a type of externality.
You mean like how the West mashes people skulls in for holding a banner against genocide?
It’s almost as if the speech restrictions and human rights violations are grossly exaggerated or entirely misreported by companies that are exclusively funded by the US intelligence community. . .
Don’t get me wrong, some still do exist (especially on the company side of things). Since, you know, it’s a country consisting of 1/7th of humanity; but equally it’s pretty silly to think 1/7th of humanity is too stupid to do anything about a single supposedly hyper repressive government that allegedly doesn’t let them speak against it.
I bet in China you can talk about the genocide in Gaza without getting beaten, jailed, or deported.
Try saying
Tibeton a bus stop, and watch your ass getting hauled to the nearest police station in like 30 seconds.…Tibet is a province in China and is openly talked about kiddo. Tibet was, for a period of about 40 years, under a brutal monarchy that had institutionalized child sex slavery. The Dalai Lama is a child sex advocate.
Tibet then did a civil war around the time of China’s revolution, where the main party of the rebellion which I don’t care to look up the name of because Tibetan is mostly nonsense words to me, requested help from the newly freed China. China obliged, with the caveat of Tibet returning to China instead of continuing on as an independent country. Which was greatly preferred during war time at least because, you know, they were spending all their military resources fighting the UK and US backed Tibetan child sex slave government.
After the war, like all provinces Tibet was poor, poorly integrated with the rest of China, and had little access to outside resources… until about the 1990s. Like the rest of China. Now Tibetan culture and language is mandatory for schools in Tibet (like Uyghur in Xinjiang and Mongolian in Inner Mongolia, also there’s that weird muslim group in inner mongolia that actually has their own culture and language requirements in schools that I forget. And I mean weird as in, why did they become muslim that far north east, not that they’re weird for being Muslim.) and Tibet, like Xinjiang, is seeing a golden age of modernization and resources being poured into it.
Because China realized after the East Tukistan terror attacks from Turkey and the US that you can’t have home grown terrorism or dissidence if you just, give people the resources they need to live well and thrive.
It’s crazy that a country with no free speech has tens of thousands of protests every year.
I saw that protests are free as long as they are against the local government. People can complain online and in-person against local authorities and demand central government step in to save them, too. But if the rethoric starts going to “central government is wrong”, then it gets supressed
Do you have a source that says that happens in today’s China? I know that Falun Gong is suppressed, but they are literally a CIA-funded group created to undermine the state.
from your link:
Despite the increase in protests, some scholars have argued that they may not pose an existential threat to Chinese Communist Party (CCP) rule because they lack “connective tissue”;[7] the preponderance of protests in China are aimed at local-level officials, and only a select few dissident movements seek systemic change.[8]
And? All that says is that most movements don’t target the CPC rule, but that there still are some movements that seek systemic change. Seems to support my point.
your point (on free speech) is not supported if there are seldom protests on national issues.
could you give an example of a dissident movement that has openly protested? i would not think the white paper protestor count as an organization (organizing, sure, but there’s a difference)
OR the Chinese populace is actually incredibly satisfied with their central government. Which is the case. The national CPC has a 95.5% satisfaction rating.
I heard online that it’s illegal to be against Christianity in America, as well as it being illegal to be against fascism, or ‘anti fascist’ in the USA as you’ll be labelled a domestic terrorist. I heard in America that the cops won’t kill you if you are a white person walking at night but not if you are a black teenager. I heard in America that the government will allow your father to shoot you until you die if you disagree with him politically but ask to see his gun. I heard in America you will be killed by the government for being
homelesspoor and there’s nothing anyone will do about it.But America is where freedom is. If you live in any conditions freer than that, you are actually in a less free country than America because actually America is actually freer than any other country actually.
I understand the parallel, but all you said can be confirmed or denied by several sources I have access to. I don’t have alternative sources for most of the claims about China. Could you provide them? When I read about these things, it seemed trustworthy.
Also, I’m not even american, chill. I am not chinese either, I don’t have a horse in this race. Both can burn in nuclear winter as far as I care
There are some hardcore pro-china people on lemmy. I made a joke about disappearing someone for re-education (like what happened to Jack Ma, co-founder of Ali-baba) and people downvoted shit out of it and said my American media is lying, idk what I’m talking about, etc etc.
I’m not saying the American media is a beacon of journalistic integrity or anything but it’s telling they won’t even admit these things happen in China.
I just spent 5 minutes googling and didn’t find a single source that says Jack Ma was disappeared for re-education. Not even right-wing sources like Business Insider and Forbes.
Wait wait wait. I wanted more info on where I might have heard that “misinformation” so I Googled it and this is literally the AI summary that popped up before I could scroll what are you talking about “didn’t find a single source” lol
…You spread a conspiracy theory not even supported by mainstream US outlets and people reacted badly?!
Jack Ma was not ‘disappeared.’ He was, in fact, brought up on charges that were later dismissed due to his cooperation. This was public news. Because Jack Ma attempted to bribe members of the CPC in order to gain political support for his incredibly unpopular and stupid idea of lessening safety regulations to bring Chinese markets closer to the ‘freedom’ of the US market.
His political movement failed, his bribery attempts were exposed, and unfortunately, he was not punished for them beyond having to issue an apology. Honestly it’s a shame China didn’t actually punish him like your conspiracy theory suggests, given the amount of damage he attempted to do to the Chinese economy and integrity of the People’s congress.
There are so many speech restrictions and humans rights violations in China that scare the hell out of me
I hear an earful about how horrible and repressive the Chinese state government is to its citizens from the outside, largely by national media talking heads and Big Data surveillance company flaks. Meanwhile, the consequences of talking shit on the Chinese internet - account suspension/deactivation, getting in trouble with your employer/school possibly with the threat of firing/expulsion, periodic investigation by state police for threats of violence, possible restrictions on business/travel because you’ve been added to a “watch list”, potential for arrest on some bullshit charge - seem to be all the same kinds of consequences periodically doled out to western citizens.
I’m told Americans have “free speech”. But then the Supreme Court lays so many caveats down that even a silly toothless joke is strictly prohibited under US laws. I’m told Chinese officials are brutal and draconian and mean-spirited, but they don’t have anything approaching our prison population. I haven’t seen evidence of any kind of mob-rule social media gang dedicated to doxing Chinese dissidents, either. So they manage to stay ahead of Canary Mission and Project Veritas in that regard.
I hope one day there is more free speech for people in China who deserve to be able to say what they want.
I want to know what that’s supposed to look like in practice. Where can I find the Free Speech that the Evil Foreign Country is supposed to one day get?
Because if the dream is an American style system of free expression… What are we pinning for, really? Chinese Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson? Uyghurs given the Palestine Action treatment? An independent Taiwan that enjoys all the diplomatic kindness we afford to our neighbors down in Haiti and Cuba?
What are we even asking for?
I wonder how this works…
I would kill to live in a country like China that optimizes its economy for use value over exchange value.
Honey, I used to live there, and I hate to burst your bubble, but there’s a huge HUGE difference between what China says and does.
I’ve heard from many other Chinese people who say the opposite, so I’m gonna go ahead and press X to doubt.
Edit: I also don’t really care what someone with enough resources to emigrate has to say. I’m more concerned with ordinary workers, who have a 90%+ approval rating of the CCP.
I agree with everything you posted except I have to also press X to doubt on your claim of 90%+ approval ratings amongst ordinary workers. You can’t get 90 percent of people to agree on anything else in the world, except the CCP? It just doesn’t compute as a real number for me I guess. But I’d love to be proven wrong.
Here’s an article from the Harvard Gazette talking about the surveys. The approval rating was 95.5% and notably, Harvard did not dispute the accuracy of the findings or have issue with the methodology of the survey.
Also, don’t patronize me. It’s rude.
As someone currently living there, I don’t believe you.
Patronizing and completely unsubstantiated!
The great leap sideways.
Strange to see China of all places to be societal ahead of everyone else.
Not really to be honest. They’re an authoritarian regime, but they do a lot of social policies. It’s a weird mix but not a new one.
It is indeed a weird mix in China, but I had not expected this one. Its a law that could be useful everywhere, even though it is hard to prove.
Turns out when you run a government like a corporation properly, you can think about long-term profits instead of only next quarter. It isn’t fully-automated luxury gay space communism, but it’s a hell of a lot better than neoliberalism.
Turns out when you run a government like a corporation properly
This is not what China has done though…
Stop trying to launder this “run the government like a corporation” garbage
In the sense that they’re maximizing (tax) revenue by investing in infrastructure, maintaining a strict hierarchy, and so on, not the Reaganite destroying it and selling it off for parts.
It’s not nearly as authoritarian as people like to claim. Chinese citizens hold tens of thousands of protests each year against a wide variety of topics, and the government is legally required to respond to them. As a consequence, the Chinese government is orders of magnitude more responsive to local corruption or abuses of power than almost any western country.
It absolutely is. Have a look at the definition of authoritarianism, China checks all the boxes.
So does the US at this point.
Not fully yet, but heading there head first, yep
Literally all governments are definitionally authoritarian, it’s a stupid criticism
No, it isn’t.
Of all place? Have you been living under a rock?
I don’t need a fuckton of money to conquer the world, I have ideas. Not that I would.
budget reasons spent all the munny on ai hehe
One has to wonder if they do this to influence USA. I mean it’s china, they do whatever they want to people.
Believe it or not, but everything is not about the US. Sometimes countries decide on policies without a single thought as to what the US thinks about it
*they do whatever the people want
I’m far from a China cheerleader, but they lifted billions of people out of abject poverty over the course of like 20 years.
Or do you think that was also somehow about the US?
lol influence us to do what? Hate AI and capitalism? Good.
