Ring founder Jamie Siminoff is back at the helm of the surveillance doorbell company, and with him is the surveillance-first-privacy-last approach that made Ring one of the most maligned tech devices. Not only is the company reintroducing new versions of old features which would allow police to request footage directly from Ring users, it is also introducing a new feature that would allow police to request live-st

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    Nah you’re just being lazy. Its really not that hard. At least be ashamed man instead of this defeatist bullshit.

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      What you’re saying makes me think you aren’t aware of the technical knowledge of your typical smart doorbell or cam user, which is basically little to none.

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        And exactly this behavior (“I have no clue about the thing I will do, but I’ll do it anyway without educating myself prior”) is what makes everything suck more and more because it always gets adapted to the lowest common denominator.

        We’re only still alive because people need licenses to drive cars or fly planes.

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          But this maybe implies that there’s a possibility to change this behaviour. Which is infeasible. For many of the same reasons why we don’t have people specialize in more than a couple of areas.If you’re not implying that and you’re just saying that in vacuum, then yeah sure. That said it’s not the only reaaon why things suck more and changing this behaviour is not the only way to not have things suck, For example a government in a more democratic system might serve its citizens more than its corporations and ban these practices.

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            Yeah sure, government shall intervene. But…i can probably expect more from anyone else.

            And no,I didn’t imply everyone should be expert at everything. That is beyond impossible, even for fractions of fractions of things. But. If you wanna drive a car, you’re forced to learn a shitton and pay like 2k € to be allowed to do so. One of the reasons is safety for others.

            If I had no clue about e.g. doorbells, I would ask a pro I know or search the net or whatever. At least the absolute basics of it. Even setting the pure curiosity aside, just to know what the heck I’m getting at. Admitted, I might have much more spare time than the regular Jane or Joe, but I’d still do that if I had to work. Just less intensive.

            But yes, this mixture of apathy and ignorance is the leading reason why the internet sucks so much nowadays then 30 or even just 20yrs ago. The majority of absolutely clueless people not knowing how they get fucked and where to draw a line. Sure, to some it’s just a tool they don’t need to know shit about to use it. No judging. BUT that doesn’t change the fact.

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              That’s the thing, you correctly see the difference in available time after work. That difference stacks over time. Having read this or that makes you understand terminology, patterns, builds confidence and over time that marginal extra time I have had has made it possible for me to grok a manual in 15 minutes but my father who hasn’t had that time takes 45 minutes from his shorter available time. Then there’s all the modifying details around kids or no kids, how much more hours the lower parts of the working class have to do to pay rent today vs earlier and so on and so forth. Everyone really but it’s just much worse for the lower sections.

              And then there’s the problem of availability of products without extensive research. There’s few brands owned by few large corpos that spend a lot pushing them left front and center on their digital platforms. That increases significanty the amount of work anyone has to do to avoid surveillance in this case. And as you understand, increasing the amount of work, increases the amount of time, and there’s hard cutoffs which lead to the work not being done, which leads to the marketing campaigns succeeding in getting dad to buy a Ring. These people study, research and know well how to get people who seemingly have choices to choose their product 8 out of 10 times. Especially when transacting via their digital platform.

              Which is why we’re fighting a losing game if we rely on the individual when they’re standing against the corporation which acts as a large collective with collective resources aligned to achieve their goals. This is why individualism is profitable and therefore encouraged. Consumers, employees have to also act as a collective which pools their resources like time, expertise to counteract this. E.g. by having people, supported by the normies, digest, analyse and spit out the results in trivial form (when posaible) that also takes very little time for everyone else to grok, so they make the right decision. Example that come to mind is Consumer Reports.

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                Your arguments are all valid and fine, wouldn’t argue with them. BUT understanding the underlying reasons doesn’t really change the fact and my point.

                I can empathise with speeders, murderers, scammers and whatever. But know why someone does something, or even truly empathizing with it, doesn’t change the fact that it’s bad. I could understand a society of murderers and their reasons for murdering. But they’d still destroy their society.

                And sadly I really see no way for the government (any gov anywhere) to really pull the rudder. Capitalism just won. And, as you already stated, their goals align excellently with the average Joe/Jane having no clue about the stuff that’s thrown in their faces and are worked to death so that’ll never change.

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                  Yes. :D

                  And in capitalism right now there’s no obvious way to reverse the trend. That said, if the critical theory of capitalism (and history) holds any water, the victory is very likely to be temporary, followed by mass unrest and significant change. What kind of change is not so clear but we may have a say if we’re educated enough and organized, so at least we know who to support when the time comes.

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                    Not today anymore. Social-media and the state-of-stupid of the web inhibit that. The masses don’t even know what to protest for or against. And without MASSIVE numbers you’d achieve nothing. Someone just needs to throw enough moneyz at the problem (or pay thousands to flood the net with “I love our overlords because XYZ”) until it’s gone.

                    It was hard to topple a king some 100yrs ago, but today? We don’t even know our kings anymore. Besides those few media-clown-babies that so desperately crave attention to fill a bottomless void of darkness inside them.

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            What? We can’t make people read setup manual for 30minutes? Might as well stop living now because whats the point of our society if we are defeated by a pamphlet?

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              Always has been and it falls on the ones that aren’t defeated by the pamphlet to help the rest, since the labour of the rest allows the standard of life pamphlet interpreters enjoy. 😂

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          Its just sheer laziness. These people are dragging our entire society down because they can’t spend 30 minutes to read the manual. This should be shameful unjustifiable behavior.

          Betting 100% that the same people are calling someone else lazy every week without any self awareness.

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            Oh I’m lazy too (in regards to boring stuff). But I know what I don’t know and would not start to argue about e.g. car-mechanics or buy something without at least getting a basic grasp of that. Lazyness isn’t an excuse for ignorance 😁