Whenever people ask about ways to make their smartphones more private or which is the most privacy-respecting phone to get, there’s always a few people confidently asserting “all smartphones are spy tools, get a dumbphone with no apps if you want to be private”. Which is ridiculous advice for a few reasons

  • Dumbphones usually run either proprietary operating systems or outdated forks of Android. They’re almost never encrypted. They rarely get security updates. They’re a lot more vulnerable than even a regular Android phone

  • With dumbphones, you’re usually limited to regular phone calls or SMS/MMS messaging. These are ancient communication standards with zero built-in privacy. Your ISP can read any text message you send and view metadata logs of any phone calls you make. In lots of places (like Australia where I live) ISPs are actually required to keep logs of your messages and phone calls

With even a regular Android phone you at least have access to encrypted messaging apps like Signal or Session so your conversations aren’t fair game for anyone who wants to read them. Of course there are better options. iOS (not perfect but better than most bloatware-filled Android devices) and a pixel with GrapheneOS (probably the best imo) are much better options; but virtually anything out there is going to be better for privacy than a dumbphone

  • ringpop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 hours ago

    How can you have a private phone with less security?

    Edit: Certainly without security you cannot have true privacy

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      8 hours ago

      It is simple.

      It produces significantly less data. It doesn’t have all the apps you are being tracked by reporting on your every move.

      It doesn’t have faceid, and probably has a lot of exploits (less security), but the data it holds isn’t worth securing and it doesn’t provide a non-stop datamine (more privacy).

      Basically, instead of having a large safe filled with gold, you have a duffel-bag with your old gym clothes. You don’t need security for old gym clothes.

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        5 hours ago

        Someone once broke into my sister’s car and stole her bag of gym clothes but I get what you’re saying.

        Personally I would love a dumbphone but I find a smartphone too useful (specifically map and transit apps). I wish I could have the same number for one of each and only bring the smartphone when necessary.

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        4 hours ago

        And what is less private about face ID or fingerprints. You di now how those work? But from your comment I’m guessing you have no idea.

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          3 hours ago

          You’re just continuing the conflation by speaking about security functionality in terms of privacy.