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Cake day: August 24th, 2023

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  • You’re absolutely right that the earnings today doesn’t justify the stock price.

    It’s all based off future assumptions that would need to come true like dominating the AV industry and humanoid robot industry.

    There was actually a brief period in 2022 I think where the stock price was really high, but they were making more profit than other OEMs combined with a faction of the cars, and they were actually reaching what seemed like a reasonable PE ratio. Then he bought twitter, did the nazi stuff, did the Cybertruck instead of the 25k vehicle (which is now abandoned), and their vehicle growth started shrinking instead of growing.






  • Tesla advertised a feature of a car that failed to work in the way it was described.

    So first off, this was mainly what I was replying about and I should have probably quoted it. The car 100% worked exactly as described. Any claims about how good AP may be, go 100% out the window the moment your foot is on the accelerator and it tells you the car will not brake.

    Also I don’t think he’s ever said AP drives safer than a human, it’s humans using autopilot are safer than driving without it. It’s always because you are supervising it that it’s safer than without. It can’t even change lanes or stop for traffic lights, how on earth could that be safer than a human unless it’s with human supervision?

    Tesla wiping/causing problems getting the data should probably be it’s own case (edit brought on by the state or sanctioned by the state or whatever is possible) and doesn’t really have to do with the actual merits of this specific case IMO and whether or not they were responsible.

    The working outside of highways is really the only valid thing.

    Edit: Let me try putting this another way. Cars have airbags. Airbags are advertised safety devices. If you get into an accident and your airbag doesn’t go off and it should have, you’ll probably sue. If your Airbag warning light was on though, and you ignored it, you can fuck right off on any claims around it failing to deploy or the car not working as advertised.








  • As a consumer product, you are responsible and supposed to be paying attention at all times and be ready to take over.

    It is completely acceptable that it does not function perfectly in every scenario and something like a fake wall put on the road causes issues, that is why you need to pay attention.

    There is nothing to recall about this situation.

    If the car is failing on things it shouldn’t be, like both Tesla and Waymo failing to properly stop for school busses while in autonomous mode, that does require an update. Alhough ive seen 0 reports of an autonomous Tesla doing this yet only supervised ones.

    A Tesla not stopping for a school bus in supervised mode is acceptable though because the driver is responsible to stop.

    Edit: and note, a problem like the school busses is a visual processing understanding problem. Lidar won’t help with that kind or problem.

    Edit: and sorry to be clear, it is hardware still on the road, but I’m saying its acceptable that hardware does it because its not autonomous. If the newer hardware running without supervisors was doing it, that’s another story.