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  • There are a few apps that I think fit this use case really well.

    Languagetool is a spelling and grammer checker that has a server client model. Libreoffice now has built in languagetool integration, where it can acess a server of your choosing. I make it access the server I run locally, since archlinux packages languagetool.

    Another is stirling-pdf. This is a really good pdf manipulation program that people like, that comes as a server with a web interface.



  • I’ve seen three cases where the docker socket gets exposed to the container (perhaps there are more but I haven’t seen any?):

    1. Watchtower, which does auto updates and/or notifies people

    2. Nextcloud AIO, which uses a management container that controls the docker socket to deploy the rest of the stuff nextcloud wants.

    3. Traefik, which reads the docker socket to automatically reverse proxy services.

    Nextcloud does the AIO, because Nextcloud is a complex service, but it grows to be very complex if you want more features or performance. The AIO handles deploying all the tertiary services for you, but something like this is how you would do it yourself: https://github.com/pimylifeup/compose/blob/main/nextcloud/signed/compose.yaml . Also, that example docker compose does not include other services, like collabara office, which is the google docs/sheets/slides alternative, a web based office.

    Compare this to the kubernetes deployment, which yes, may look intimidating at first. But actually, many of the complexities that the docker deploy of nextcloud has are automated away. Enabling the Collabara office is just collabara.enabled: true in the configuration of it. Tertiary services like Redis or the database, are included in the Kubernetes package as well. Instead of configuring the containers itself, it lets you configure the database parameters via yaml, and other nice things.

    For case 3, Kubernetes has a feature called an “Ingress”, which is essentially a standardized configuration for a reverse proxy that you can either separate out, or one is provided as part of the packages. For example, the nextcloud kubernetes package I linked above, has a way to handle ingresses in the config.

    Kubernetes handles these things pretty well, and it’s part of why I switched. I do auto upgrade, but I only auto upgrade my services, within the supported stable release, which is compatible for auto upgrades and won’t break anything. This enables me to get automatic security updates for a period of time, before having to do a manual and potentially breaking upgrade.

    TLDR: You are asking questions that Kubernetes has answers to.







  • Many helm charts, like authentik or forgejo integrate bitnami helmcharts for their databases. So that’s why this is concerning to me,

    But, I was planning to switch to operators like cloudnativepostgres for my databases instead and disable the builtin bitnami images. When using the builtin bitnami images, automatic migration between major releases is not supported, you have to do it yourself manually and that dissapointed me.


  • I’m on my phone rn and can’t write a longer post. This comment is to remind me to write an essay later. I’ve been using authentik heavily for my cybersecurity club and have a LOT of thoughts about it.

    The tldr about authentik’s risk of enshittification is that authentik follows a pattern I call “supportware”. It’s when extremely (intentionally/accidentally) complex software (intentionally/accidentally) lacks edge cases in their docs,because you are supposed to pay for support.

    I think this is a sustainable business model, and I think keycloak has some similar patterns (and other Red Hat software).

    The tldr about authentik itself is that it has a lot of features, but not all of them are relevant to your usecase, or worth the complexity. I picked up authentik for invites (which afaik are rare, also official docs about setting up invites were wrong, see supportware), but invites may not something you care about.

    Anyway. Longer essay/rant later. Despite my problems, I still think authentik is the best for my usecase (cybersecurity club), and other options I’ve looked at like zitadel (seems to be more developer focused),or ldap + sso service (no invites afaik) are less than the best option.

    Sidenote: Microsoft entra is offers similar features to what I want from authentik, but I wanted to self host everything.


  • So Signal does not have reproducible builds, which are very concerning securitywise. I talk about it in this comment: https://programming.dev/post/33557941/18030327 . The TLDR is that no reproducible builds = impossible to detect if you are getting an unmodified version of the client.

    Centralized servers compound these security issues and make it worse. If the client is vulnerable to some form of replacement attack, then they could use a much more subtle, difficult to detect backdoor, like a weaker crypto implementation, which leaks meta/userdata.

    With decentralized/federated services, if a client is using other servers other than the “main” one, you either have to compromise both the client and the server, or compromise the client in a very obvious way that causes the client to send extra data to server’s it shouldn’t be sending data too.

    A big part of the problem comes with what Github calls “bugdoors”. These are “accidental” bugs that are backdoors. With a centralized service, it becomes much easier to introduce “bugdoors” because all the data routes through one service, which could then silently take advantage of this bug on their own servers.

    This is my concern with Signal being centralized. But mostly I’d say don’t worry about it, threat model and all that.

    I’m just gonna @ everybody who was in the conversation. I posted this top level for visibility.

    @Ulrich@feddit.org @rottingleaf@lemmy.world @jet@hackertalks.com @eleitl@lemmy.world @Damage@feddit.it

    EDIT: elsewhere in the thread it is talked about what is probably a nation state wiretapping attempt on an XMPP service: https://www.devever.net/~hl/xmpp-incident

    For a similar threat model, signal is simply not adequate for reasons I mentioned above, and that’s probably what poqVoq was referring to when he mentioned how it was discussed here.

    The only timestamps shared are when they signed up and when they last connected. This is well established by court documents that Signal themselves share publicly.

    This of course, assumes I trust the courts. But if I am seeking maximum privacy/security, I should not have to do that.




  • So instead you decided to go with Canonical’s snap and it’s proprietary backend, a non standard deployment tool that was forced on the community.

    Do you avoid all containers because they weren’t the standard way of deploying software for “decades” as well? (I know people that actually do do that though). And many of my issues about developers and vendoring, which I have mentioned in the other thread I linked earlier, apply to containers as well.

    In fact, they also apply to snap as well, or even custom packages distributed by the developer. Arch packages are little more than shell scripts, Deb packages have pre/post hooks which run arbitrary bash or python code, rpm is similar. These “hooks” are almost always used for things like installing. It’s hypocritical to be against curl | bash but be for solutions like any form of packages distributed by the developers themselves, because all of the issues and problems with curl | bash apply to any form of non-distro distributed packages — including snaps.

    You are are willing to criticize bash for not immediately knowing what it does to your machine, and I recognize those problems, but guess what snap is doing under the hood to install software: A bash script. Did you read that bash script before installing the microk8s snap? Did you read the 10s of others in the repo’s used for doing tertiary tasks that the snap installer also calls?

    # Try to symlink /var/lib/calico so that the Calico CNI plugin picks up the mtu configuration.

    The bash script used for installation doesn’t seem to be sandboxed, either, and it runs as root. I struggle to see any difference between this and a generic bash script used to install software.

    Although, almost all package managers have commonly used pre/during/post install hooks, except for Nix/Guix, so it’s not really a valid criticism to put say, Deb on a pedestal, while dogging on other package managers for using arbitrary bash (also python gets used) hooks.

    But back on topic, in addition to this, you can’t even verify that the bash script in the repo is the one you’re getting. Because the snap backend is proprietary. Snap is literally a bash installer, but worse in every way.




  • I’ve tried snap, juju, and Canonical’s suite. They were uniquely frustrating and I’m not interested in interacting with them again.

    The future of installing system components like k3s on generic distros is probably systemd sysexts, which are extension images that can be overlayed onto a base system. It’s designed for immutable distros, but it can be used on any standard enough distro.

    There is a k3s sysext, but it’s still in the “bakery”. Plus sysext isn’t in stable release distros anyways.

    Until it’s out and stable, I’ll stick to the one time bash script to install Suse k3s.




  • I think that distributing general software via curl | sh is pretty bad for all the reasons that curl sh is bad and frustrating.

    But I do make an exception for “platforms” and package managers. The question I ask myself is: “Does this software enable me to install more software from a variety of programming languages?”

    If the answer to that question is yes, which is is for k3s, then I think it’s an acceptable exception. curl | sh is okay for bootstrapping things like Nix on non Nix systems, because then you get a package manager to install various versions of tools that would normally try to get you to install themselves with curl | bash but then you can use Nix instead.

    K3s is pretty similar, because Kubernetes is a whole platform, with it’s own package manager (helm), and applications you can install. It’s especially difficult to get the latest versions of Kubernetes on stable release distros, as they don’t package it at all, so getting it from the developers is kinda the only way to get it installed.

    Relevant discussion on another thread: https://programming.dev/post/33626778/18025432

    One of my frustrations that I express in the linked discussion is that it’s “developers” who are making bash scripts to install. But k3s is not just developers, it’s made by Suse who has their own distro, OpenSuse, using OpenSuse tooling. It’s “packagers” making k3s and it’s install script, and that’s another reason why I find it more acceptable.