Beta means bug testing a finished product. They’re still solidly pre-alpha

Yup. Combine more than one for now. There is no real alternative here.

TO BUY HARDWARE WITH A 3 YEAR LIFESPAN. THREE YEARS. 3.

Jitsi, simplex, mumble, matrix, lemmy.

I can’t knock debian but i think about it like centos, doesn’t come to mind thinking desktop / end user

The community is the blind leading the blind. You guys are kinda legendary with manjaro users. No joke, mint forums are legend. Like the opposite of the arch wiki.

This is the first sane comment that understands OS is determined by use case. All the skids pushing mint are depressing.

Ask the person questions and find out what they want to do with the machine. This is very much the kind of question teenagers ask and confidently answer like what programming language is best.

Mint is not run by professionals. It has been pwnd more than once. It’s pretty, slightly better run than manjaro and has no reason to exist when ubuntu, fedora and suse exist.

Please stop pointing to mint as a starting place. Every level user is going to get a more secure and reliable experience avoiding mint.

Ubuntu, fedora, suse and spins of those 3. I wouldn’t put a normal user on anything else without extenuating circumstances.

I’ve watched stoat since riot came out publicly. It’s hopeless.

If matrix bothers you at a protocol level then you’re looking for simplex but usually it’s the old mobile clients people hate.

Yes. if that matters to you https://simplex.chat/ or cwtch

https://simplex.chat/

Enjoy fellow cipherpunk

Stoat / revolt development has been as fraught as Tox. It’s dead Jim.

Matrix, Simplex, Jitsi and Mumble all work.

For matrix on mobile use element X or Schildi next

I’m downvoting everyone who suggests stoat because it means you haven’t tried your recommendations or looked at git.

Jitsi, Matrix, Simplex and Mumble all work well.

For matrix use one of the newer clients like element X or schildi next.

Simplex is the most secure but also newest and least optimized / mature.

Dont say stoat. Revolt failed and renamed to stoat instead of writing any code. The project is as mismanaged as Tox.

Your current options are:

Jitsi, Matrix, Simplex and Mumble

Stoat is a worse disaster. None of your upvotes tried stoat.

Jitsi, matrix, simplex and mumble.

Matrix has client and metadata issues but holy shit is stoat unfinished trash. It’s as fraught as Tox.

I did. And some waybackmachine copies. And somehow it feels like there is less information than when I went down this rabbit hole ~20 years ago after hearing about Owens on the daily show

Christopher Nolan is my favorite director and least favorite sound engineer.

IRC still supports most of the FOSS core.

More modern alternatives include Jitsi, Matrix and Simplex. Mumble also works well for voice.

You’re gonna need jitsi too. Simple is more secure but the client is heavier than matrix. You can run a server but shouldnt need to

It’s dead. The development has been as fraught as Tox and it has no feature parity. Not sure it’s worth forking.

Right now your best options are jitsi for video or good old mumble for voice and simplex or matrix for text chat.