Since people from war-torn nations often flee to Europe where they tend to get all kinds of help and support, I wonder what countries Europeans would/could flee to - and be welcomed by - if there were to be a war engulfing most of Europe?
Any thoughts?
They don’t do that at all. That’s a deceitful right-wing talking point meant to create xenophobic reactions.
People from war torn nations move to non-war torn parts of their own county, or their direct neighbors. Only a tiny fraction go further, and only a fraction of those go all the way to Europe.
One side exaggerates things and the other downplays them. Neither are being honest. This is the information landscape we live in now and then we wonder why nobody believes the same set of facts.
Fair. I guess you could read my reply as “they don’t flee to Europe at all”, but I intended it as “they don’t flee to Europe all that often”.
I guess I could have been more clear there, but in my defense, I did elaborate.
Sure, pal. That’s why there were so many of them in Europe. And I don’t mean it in a bad way, it’s pretty fucking normal to flee to a different country when there’s war.
You people who need to debunk the right wing conspiracies so much that you create your own are a pretty wild breed.
I am not interested in a political discussion nor in the overly-common mud-slinging that desperately attempts to label everyone either a hateful nazi or a moronic lefty. I simply wonder where Europeans would flee to, if there were a war that engulfs all of Europe.
Alas, since you seem to be more interested in other discussions: Saying people don’t flee from war to Europe seems highly deceitful in itself. I just looked at the statistics from Germany (which brought me to my question): By mid-2024, there were roughly 3.5 Million refugees in Germany. Over one million of them were from Ukraine. For the whole of the EU, there appear to be almost 7 million refugees from war-torn areas and a total of 13 million refugees in total (includes internally displaced people), and 1.7 million asylum applicants. Those appear to be official numbers and not right-wing talking points. I suppose in your mind, that means that people don’t flee to Europe?
https://www.unhcr.org/europe/europe-figures-glance-2023 https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/zahl-gefluechtete-deutschland-100.html
Aren’t you in luck then, because I did neither. Your reaction is pretty over the top though.
Also, seeing how Ukraine is already in Europe, it would take a lot of effort for them not to flee to (elsewhere in) Europe.
This account is only 6 days old and already you’re starting in with the Xenophobic political rhetoric. That hardly seems like a coincidence. Who are you really and what got your previous account banned?
Where were they xenophobic?
They used statistics to support their point, you used insults to attempt to win argument (aka sophistry).
There are millions of refugees in europe, correct. That just isn’t nearly as many people as you think. There can be millions of refugees in europe AND most people from war torn regions can be staying in their own or very nearby countries.
No one was calling you a nazi to be clear but your reaction to the original comment is weirdly defensive
Yup - triggers me to no end when questions immediately result in the need to apply labeling as either left-wing or right-wing, while the actual question is not answered. To me, that seems to indicate that there are bots on this site already.