I hope this post fits the content and format of this community, if not I’m sorry.
I’m just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.
Here’s a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712
There’s an obsession with ‘If this side is bad, the other side must be good’ nowadays that has become kind of crazy.
And before we can do anything to make anything better we must assign blame.
good luck doing that with climate change or global events
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Yep, quite dangerous to forget where the line of decency must be drawn.
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The posted comment never represents one side as “good”. It correctly identifies one side as resisting imperialism and colonialism, while acknowledging its lack of perfection.
“Imperfect resistance” ahhh, the classic terrorist supporter dog-whistle.
Much like MAGAs “novel legal theory”
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Your argument is circular and inane.
Try engaging substantively.
I genuinely don’t think you know what either of those words mean if you think they apply to what I said.
You are describing terrorists by using normatively loaded language to make them sound like just little guys trying their best and making little mistakes. It’s disgusting.
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Israel is a terrorist state that calls as terrorists those who challenge its ambitions of occupation, apartheid, and genocide.
Being vilified by Israel is not one and the same as being fundamentally wicked.
Correct. And Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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Imagine both of this can be true!!1
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Hamas is labeled terrorist because it was assigned the label by Israel.
Hamas is terrorist only as much as one terrorist entity is credible to decide exactly which groups or factions are terrorist.
More generally, terrorist simply is a label states assign to their non-state enemies.
By the same standards, the Continental Army would be terrorist, as would be essentially every belligerent that has engaged in anti-colonial struggle.
Regardless, it should be concrete facts, not abstract labels, that are used to support arguments and conclusions.
False. Hamas is labeled terrorist for performing acts of terrorism.
There is no excusing rape and murder of civilians. You can’t handwave such atrocities as imperfection
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You’re posting hasbara again, and what’s more is it’s “every accusation is a confession” shit with a growing mountain of evidence that Israel military forces like the IDF and IOF use sexual violence to terrorize Palestinian civilians as well as incoming aid workers trying to help starving children.
Please stop re-perpetuating this harmful and wrong misinformation.
Do you have any substantial argument or do you always call common knowledge “Hasbara” if it doesn’t suit your narrative?
I don’t support Israel or IDF, they can go suck a bag of dicks lol
But surely you can acknowledge that the rape and murder of civilians isn’t resistance?
why is it so hard for yanks to understand that both things can be bad
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I am not endorsing Hamas as the legitimate leadership of Palestine. But I am saying that there is no credible evidence of rape and murder of civilians “as resistance.” You are perpetuating a harmful zionist talking point uncritically and it does the work for who you claim not to support for them. The world is filled with enough injustice to speak truth into the world about how genocide and the starving of children is wrong without doing what you’re doing here.
Hamas raped women during the 7th of October and sexually assaulted hostages. There was also the whole massacre thing during the 7th of October where the terrorists filmed themselves shooting elderly in their homes.
These guys have no argument except calling everything Hasbara, it’s such a shit show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_October_7_attacks
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Since they know they have no ground to stand on, they default to base programming.
I think it’s a sunk cost fallacy, they can’t handle considering that not everything is so black and white and that resistance movements may not always be the ‘good guy’ – They’re in too deep.
the problem with tankies like that admin is that they never stop with the moral relativism. and their support of Palestine is not borne out of concern for Palestians, otherwise they wouldn’t have supported Assad’s ethnic cleansing campaign which was so brutal, you’d think it as something Israel would do. alas, they support “anti-imperialists” whose moral compass and politics are practically indistinguishable from that of Zionists
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to give you a more practical example, no one can deny that Azov is correct in fighting Russia. that doesn’t automatically make them valiant and brave anti-colonial heroes just because the Ukrainian people are fighting a war of national liberation. some groups are bad no matter how dire their local context is.
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You have no business complaining of someone else allegedly relying on a straw men.
Much of the problem is that you assume others follow your own narrow method of thought, by which every facet of the world is cast along thin and fixed lines separating good versus evil.
are my moral lines too thin and fixed or are you simply too apathetic to stop fencesitting? i know the watchers at home know the obvious answers, stay tuned for the evening news 📺
You are being dishonest, simplistic, and obscurantic.
I find no value in further discussion.
Goodbye to you and your army of absurd little straw men.
Anarchists are not tankies.
Also, the reason some leftists supported Assad was a hope to hasten the collapse of US imperialism, which causes massive death and suffering around the world. Criticizing such a stance as misguided is credible only if accompanied by a comparably critical stance against the even more deadly abuses of US imperialism.
anarchists arent tankies but Lenin Glazers like the admin irrefutably are.
there isn’t a single anti-Assad anarchist that wouldn’t also critique the US. nice try, maybe leave the strawman arguments at the door next time
The posted comment never mentions Lenin.
You are being deliberately dishonest.
Also, you are the one who just now presented not one, but several straw men.
When did I imply that “there [is] a single anti-Assad anarchist that wouldn’t also critique the US”? Again, you are being dishonest.
It is on topic, dude. Lenin and tankies are closely related, so are anarchists being tankie glazers.
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It breaks your own rules against derailing threads, and your defense is little more than a word salad of unsubstantiated dogma.
Anarchists are the strongest critics of authoritarian tendencies of leftism. Anarchists were targets of some of the earliest repression after the October Revolution, and Kropotkin famously fled the Soviet Union as an open and caustic critic of Lenin.
Anarchists by nature are the strongest critics of any authoritarianism because anarchism entails opposition to all authority.
Your failure to distinguish between anarchists and authoritarian leftists is ignorant and absurd.
Anarchists aren’t strong critics at all lol
You can’t even condemn Hamas, who are authoritian in itself.
I’m not being dishonest, I’m just not coddling your feelings
What an absurd defense.
Once again, you deflect with an accusation that is completely unsubstantiated, an obvious non sequitur.
an obvious non sequitur is your mom loving you
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Hamas would behead you for being queer :)
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Campism. Tankies love it
Anarchists are not tankies.
Campism is support, usually largely uncritical, for imperialist powers opposed to the US, in spite of such supporters identifying as leftists, who oppose all imperialism. Critical support for a tiny, oppressed resistance movement fighting apartheid and genocide is not campism.
Are you defending Hamas?
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Are you even trying to form an original thought?
Hey now, Instance rule “be respectful,” buddy – As per your report
Are you defending Hamas or are in support of Hamas? Should be a pretty easy answer, yeah?
I sympathize generally with the posted comment.
Hamas is currently the only credible resistance against the genocidal apartheid terrorist entity of Israel.
Whether your mind is capable of parsing the nuance is beyond my control.
I’m sick and tired of seeing this shit. What fucking credibility does Hamas have? They’ve been in power for 20 years and what have they achieved? Their only acts of “resistance” is terrorist attacks against civilians, that’s it. They quite literally haven’t done a single thing to resist Israel whatsoever.
This entire debacle is their doing. They spent a long time planning the Oct 7th attacks, broke the status quo, declared a holy war, and now tens of thousands of Gazans are dead because of it. Those terrorist attacks that led to this current situation is their crown achievement. The result? Israel bombed the entire strip into the ground, the IDF marched right in unopposed, they started massacring civilians, and now they control everything. Where’s the opposition? Where’s the resistance? Hamas has resisted shit since their inception.
There is no other faction with comparable capacities, limited though theirs may be, fighting in Gaza for Palestinians.
You endorse the rape and the murder of civilians?
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More Hasbara.
Get lost.