Had some fun with this. Rules:
- When a tankie post comes up, post a legitimate, fair argument. Do not argue in bad faith. No matter how nasty the post may be. Legitimately combat the disinformation there by going into their bubble and posting a sane response.
- Watch the responses come in. Especially if the post is on the tankie triad.
- Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t respond to anything, unless there is actually a legitimate attempt to have a legitimate discussion. Otherwise, start a game of tankie bingo to help prevent yourself from responding to the madness.
Suggestions for expansion welcome.
(Sorry for the double post, sometimes I’m too stupid to use the internet)
Other suggestions:
- Before we talk you have to watch this YouTube video
- You’re a transphobe!
- “already been debunked”
- You just hate leftism!
- “NATOpedia”
- Bad sourcing (in particular citing a source that says the opposite of what they say it says)
- Ignoring inconvenient questions
- Controlling the conversation (ex. insisting that a counterpoint is “not what we’re talking about” so refusing to address it)
- Changing the subject
Added some of them. What’s NATOpedia? Wasn’t able to find what that’s referring to.
If there can be a catchy way to make it happen, maybe “Uses a terrible source” could be paired with “Uses a source terribly.” The thing where they cite a real source while insisting it says the opposite of what it says is really notable when it happens.
Unfortunately no way to pair them, at least not on that site. But I’ve added uses a source terribly.
(By chance actually just had both)
https://lemmy.ml/search?q=natopedia&type=Comments&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=New&titleOnly=false
Having an objective source of truth undoes their way of doing things, so they have to dismiss anything from Wikipedia out of hand. As is tradition, their way of doing that is to assign it an insulting nickname so that anyone who brings it up is subject to bullying.
Ah, it’s a belittling name for Wikipedia, got it. Added!
aw this is lovely
though praising Kim and NK is not a dictatorship seem pretty similar
and praising Xi and then the CCP one are pretty similar too
Tankies don’t operate on the basis of parties. They are authoritarians, so when they mean CCP, they mean Xi. When they mean Russia, they mean Putin.
Some suggestions maybe:
- using shit sources, like redsails or prolewiki or state media.
- Posting the comment chain or thread elsewhere. I’ve noticed Tankies like to post threads they need help with to their social spaces. Though that’s harder to determine and otherwise would be a rough space. So maybe not? Maybe just call it a dogpile? But I love dogs
- Can’t make the argument without mentioning the US. Tankies operate entirely on a West Bad thought process. They can’t make any argument for communism or any of their views without first mentioning the US or the West.
- Calling for conservatism without realising it. Tankies are almost identical to conservatives. Check out these posts
- Imperialism/Colonialism is actually good when it’s the kind I like (such as China, Russia or other historic cases)
- Lib-slur
- You’re a fascist!
- That’s hasbara! (Or any variation of “nuhuh”)
- Posting fake or misleading statistics.
- ‘Have you read theory bruh?’
- MALFUNCTION – You can see this all the time when you ask Tankies why their favourite authoritarian countries don’t allow same-sex marriage or queer recognition. It stops them completely in their tracks, and they immediately move on to something else. It’s incredible to see.
- Mentioning Zionism randomly – Israel and Zionism are really on their mind, and they tend to bring it up whenever they can
- Encouraging or defending violence
- ‘That wasn’t real communism’ – Or blaming the failure on some outside force, usually the US
- Antisemitism – Related to the zionist thing. They usually use Zionist as a dogwhistle, much like neo-nazis, who do the exact same. Horseshoe theory and all that
- Some jolly consumerism – You’ll rarely see this when arguing with a tankie. But they love their slop, their marvels, their triple-A video games, their microtransactions, and gachas. Yum yum yum. Quite ironic for them to so readily consume corporate media.
I can go on. pleasant people.
Fair point. I’ll replace that and add some of the other suggestions.
added a few more :v
Added :D
Ho ho ho. This seems like fun! Wondering if the mod(s) can pin this so we can update daily on our progress.
Also, you should’ve added one for Venezuela idolisation. “Maduro did nothing wrong!” and Kremlin simps—although that is essentially free
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