Say a friend is looking for a new system, and said person is not particularly savvy with technology, what system would you point them toward?
Say a friend is looking for a new system, and said person is not particularly savvy with technology, what system would you point them toward?
SteamOS is open source.
Proton is open source.
Steam the game platform is closed source.
Hopefully it is obvious why open sourcing a payment processing application with tens of millions of user and bank accounts tied into it would be highly problematic.
You might as well be demanding PayPal or Epic Games Store to be open source.
There are 0 games I have that do not work on Proton.
This is because I don’t play games with rootkits.
You may have heard these referred to as ‘Kernel Level Anticheats’.
They’re rootkits, and nearly every single major anti-cheat system that exists has at least one game where its been made to work with/on linux.
All game devs that say its too hard or impossible to make AC work on linux are incompetent or lying.
I have absolutely no idea how you managed to screw up Waterfox, I’ve been using it for like a year + with 0 problems.
I’ve never encountered any behavior from it like what you describe as a default setting.
I have never had to write any code to get … I don’t think any version of linux I’ve ever used, to work, as an OS.
… what… specifically, is the ‘functionality’ of both Linux Mint and Bazzite that you apparently only get out of one or the other?
Like genuinely, what does that even mean?
I play games on Bazzite, and I’ve also compiled 03DE from scratch on Bazzite, I tinker around in Godot and Blender and various other dev tool type things regularly.
It is entirely possible to work and play on either Linux Mint or Bazzite.
With LibreOffice, yeah, you don’t get all of the proprietary Windows fonts directly out of the box, but uh, Bottles is a neat flatpak that rapidly sets up a Windows environment, with a GUI, and its a few clicks to add the ‘all fonts’ dependency, snd then voila, you have your proprietary fonts.
What you almost certainly are is a jaded Windows poweruser who expects non Windows operating systems to function and be tweaked and follow the same paradigms as Windows.
They don’t.
They are different operating systems.
They work differently.
Applying your Windows based intuition will lead you to break things.
It wouldn’t be. In fact, it would be a lot safer, because there are more eyes on the code. You have to control the code integration authorization process obviously.
Okay, I demand it. What now?
Well, I have 13 out of 15 games that do not work on Proton, Proton Hotfix and Proton Experimental. And none of them are multiplayer or rootkits. And as you say later, you’re on Bazzite, not Linux Mint. But of course you’re the center of the universe, so all you say must be right and universal, my lord? It’s impossible for other people to have a different experience and problems with the system, right?
Who gives a shit about what the devs say. For me only the end result counts. My games either run or they don’t. And currently. 15/15 run on Win11 and 2/15 on Linux Mint. That’s just how it is at the moment. That’s reality. I don’t like it either. Sorry, not sorry.
See, this is exactly the kind of “IT WAS YOU, MY PROGRAM IS FLAWLESS!”-behaviour of linux users that I was referencing. You’re incompetent, ignorant people who can’t admit if there is a problem with a program. The bug is/was listed on the project page by the way, but of course you were too fucking lazy to check.
Well, that doesn’t mean it’s not happening, you incompetent hack. Someone can have a motor failure or a flat tire on his car, while your car still runs fine. Doesn’t mean that’s the driver’s/user’s fault.
You just said you only use Bazzite. So how would you fucking know whether it works on Linux Mint or not?
Yeah, I’ve heard that “just a few clicks” bit a bit too often from linux users now. I don’t want an extra Windows environment. I want the program to fucking work natively. That’s why I’m saying that Windows is easier to use now. That you’re emphasizing the “proprietary” part just shows how fucking salty you are that it’s not integrated into LibreOffice. I’m sorry, but my law firm uses that font and that’s how it is. They’re good fonts. Not everything you don’t like is bad.
Oh my! I expect an OS to function! And to be improved! How horrible and arrogant!
You know, I WANT TO switch to linux, because I don’t like Microsoft either. But the linux desktop environment doesn’t offer the same native functionality and comfort that I need to switch my main pcs to this OS. I don’t wanna deal with the problems. And to be honest: I don’t want to deal with people like you who blame every problem with the system or programs on the user. Keep seething. I will switch when I think the time is right.
Holy shit you need to calm down.
Uh.
No.
If you fully open source an entire payment processor app, a competent coder can rather rapidly figure out how to reverse engineer its security mechanisms and then develop exploits and then do fraud and identity theft and money laundering.
Sure, there is ‘open source banking/finance’ as a movement to open source and standardize various APIs to increase integration of certain segments of banking, but… you can’t have a fully open source financial system that goes all the way through all of its security and accounts and such, 100% of it, unless you switch everything over to some kind of crypto currency.
… which has a lot of its own complications and problems.
Well that’s a very silly thing to say, which further showcases that you don’t really understand the things you are complaining about / frustrated with.
Which ones?
Whats your hardware?
What even is your actual OS/system setup?
Maybe we could try to troubleshoot them, instead of screaming?
I didn’t say any of that, but ok.
I again didn’t say that.
I said I’ve never had a problem with it, I have not encountered the problem you encountered.
You maybe wanna … link to bug?
There are lots of programs with lots of ongoing or closed issues and bugs with lots of software.
I can’t tell whats going on with your setup and your problem because you’re sceaming like a lunatic.
So again, chill the fuck out, I never said its not happening or didn’t happen.
Realize that you’re angry and confused and enraged and lashing out at people making neutral statements, because you’re attributing meaning to them that is not present.
Like, you’re the reason why IT support people have PTSD.
No, I didn’t.
I said I am using Bazzite right now.
I’ve been using some kind or another of linux for almost 15 years.
I am by no means an absolute expert on all things linux, but I do have a fair deal of general linux knowledge as well as more specific knowledge with the linux distros and applications I’ve spent more time using.
I just asked you to actually identify, describe the things that you want to be able to do, that you think are only doable on either Mint or Bazzite.
Maybe there legitimately are some things that are much easier or more difficult to do on one or the other!
I don’t know which though, because you are again, extremely hostile, confused, and screaming like a madman.
… ok… then… don’t expect to be able to run too much Windows programs/features/content on linux.
You realize that WINE or Proton… are windows environments, on linux, right?
Badically no .exe or .msi or Windows specific program will run on linux natively.
You… have to set up a windows environment, a set of translation layers, like WINE and Proton or the Soda variant that Bottles uses… to do that.
No… I am emphasizing that because it is a highly relevant factor in explaining why/how open source software legally cannot freely bundle and distribute other kinds of code that they don’t have the IP/Copyright/Patent/Trademark rights to.
Evidently your law firm doesn’t do much work around software IP law.
I also never said the fonts were bad, you just made that up.
Like… yes, what you are describing here, not having out of the box support, in LibreOffice, to open a .docx file and have all the supported fonts, yep, that is a legitimate problem for apparently your intended use case.
Generally, in an office/productivity context, its a good idea to make sure all the stuff you are going to be using frequently is compatible with each other… before you make a significant change over to a different program for a core part of the workflow.
People get paid 6 or 7 figures to determine the best way to go about doing that… I guess you just thought that such due dilligence wasn’t a relevant factor for your personal situation.
I would attempt to find a solution for you, but you’ve already said that it needs to just work natively, or its worthless, and I’m not aware of any solutions to your scenario that just work natively, given the other preferences and constraints you’ve indicated.
They do, but you’re confused and uniformed and very angry, and:
You do not want to have to humble yourself and realize how much fundamental, core ‘knowledge’ you have that is either wrong or missing.
… Yes… I am the seething one here.
Not the extremely the extremely hostile and confused person.
For a person who works in a law firm, you’re shockingly bad at communication and image management.
No, I just realized that you’re an incompetent shithead who doesn’t have the humility to admit that the OS or programs can have flaws and blames it on the user.
And this just comes after…
You delude yourself into somehow thinking that I will - after that - now start to cater to you, post links et cetera? You wrote that textwall for nothing. Go eat shit.
And by the way: I did work in IT and IP law for some time (European laws make it annoying though). And you sound exactly like the kind of programmer who thinks his programming is brilliant until he gets sued with a six or seven figure claim for his disfunctional shit insert surprised Pikachu face Maybe ask the questions first next time.