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  • Redacted@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    “Prove it”

    That’s not how science works either. Nothing is 100% proved but we have enough evidence to suggest it is way more likely than your theory:

    1. ​There is a massive gap between the origin of the universe and the arrival of anything with a nervous system.
    2. Drugs alter consciousness, as does brain damage. If consciousness was independent of matter this wouldn’t be the case.
    3. If consciousness existed first and could somehow create matter it would violate the Law of Conservation.

    You could speculate about anything but without evidence you’re just making up your own form of religion mixed with solipsism.

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      18 hours ago

      Everything you’re describing is something that appeared in consciousness and was then put to words, which are not reality, just symbols pointing to an experience inside consciousness.

      You’re doing the science sounding equivalent of the Christian “god is real, says so in the bible, and bible was written by god, therefore it’s true”.

      Also your education is not too good on the matter if you think I’m saying anything new. This philosophical stance has been around for centuries. I’ve already pointed to idealism.

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        17 hours ago

        So you are now just arguing for solipsism which tells us nothing about the universe and is unfalsifiable. Science is what we can agree on as a shared reality, not whatever comes into your head or what someone random wrote down. It’s not dogma, it’s verifiable and if there was enough to evidence to the contrary I’d consider changing my mind.

        I don’t think you’re saying anything new, quite the opposite, I’m just saying everything you believe is nonsense as are the scriptures you and other “philosophers” (spiritualists) have been wasting your time on for centuries.

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          17 hours ago

          I’m not arguing for solipsism, as I said in my initial post. I’m pointing out that your “shared reality” is only “shared” because consciousness makes it so. Idealism doesn’t deny the external world; it says the “external” is already a construct of mind. Your objection assumes matter is the default, but that’s the very premise in question. Science can’t falsify idealism because it relies on observation, and observation is consciousness in action. You’re using the tools of matter to dismiss what makes tools (and matter) intelligible in the first place.

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            17 hours ago

            For your position to make any kind of sense it requires thinking we are part of one shared consciousness that is the universe. There is no evidence for that and worse, it’s unfalsifiable, so just a personal belief.

            I got tired of arguing with religious people long ago so I’ll leave you to continue contemplating idealist nonsense which will never help us understand the universe any more than using the term “god” to explain everything.

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              17 hours ago

              There is no evidence for that and worse, it’s unfalsifiable, so just a personal belief.

              “Please prove to me that God isn’t real by using the Bible”

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                16 hours ago

                One day maybe you will understand rationality, evidence and the scientific method but until then enjoy your woo-woo.

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                  16 hours ago

                  “Rationality”

                  You’re the one who is resorting to just calling everything that doesn’t align with your beliefs “nonsense” and “woo-woo”. That’s about as far as rationality as you can get. You don’t have to like philosophy but then don’t start arguing about it, especially if you don’t know how to recognize logical fallacies in your own arguments.

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                    16 hours ago

                    You clearly don’t even know what a logical fallacy is as your posts are full of them.

                    You’re asserting consciousness is ontologically prior, so the burden of proof lies with you; however your posts commit several errors: burden‑of‑proof reversal, begging the question / circular reasoning, equivocation (private perception vs intersubjective measurement), category error (treating epistemology as ontology), special pleading / unfalsifiability, straw man of scientific practice, and a false analogy to scripture.