“We have to comply with the law”. This has become Russia or China where the sheep people do whatever an oligarchy dictate. Wasn’t it a democracy? Do the majority of people really want this?
In the end we get what we deserve for being just sheep that obey.
Yes. If US law mandates that I have to run around naked and screaming when in a supermarket I simply won’t do it because it says so. Mostly because US laws have absolute no effect in Denmark. Except those bastards in our government who decided US soldiers on Danish soil would be above Danish law, but that’s another discussion…
But if I were in the US, well, it’s my device and its open source, so who’s stopping me? And if my US-backed Fedora distro is getting affected, who is stopping me from going SUSE, Mint, Manjaro, or some other European distro?
I’m absolutely willing to go to jail. Many human rights have been won thanks to people who went to jail to defend them. And in any case we’re already in jail. It may be a spacious jail now, but they’ll shrink it more and more.
Asking others to do so? By no means no. If they don’t want a democracy, then good for them. They only need to bow their head down and obey. And later on, maybe, they must even watch out not to protest, because that won’t be allowed by the law either.
“We have to comply with the law”. This has become Russia or China where the sheep people do whatever an oligarchy dictate.
“What are we a bunch of Asians?”
Also China isn’t run by an “oligarchy” but by a dictatorship of the communist party via a mandate of the masses (they execute CEOs and rich people there, we let them rape kids and commit horrific crimes of greed and fine them less than they made off that crime). Russia is but so is the west and I prefer the term capitalists or if you prefer the original French “bourgeoisie”.
There was a study from one of the big ivy league universities that showed that in the US the people don’t get what they want, popular policy is consistently not passed nor popular will acted on. Princeton I think.
So it’s not what people per se want, it’s what the ruling class (capitalists in the west) wants. And they’ve decided that because the rate of profit falls and their demand for profit grows that they need to put the population under lock and key because they’ve made economic conditions worse and they’re going to get worse yet. They need a police state to control the workers who might want better conditions or gasp to take some or all of their wealth. This is part of that.
This is also because China is rising and they are terrified of people seeing a more equal, just society that can be created through socialism. They are terrified of dissenting voices so they want to remove anonymity so they can terrorize dissidents and opponents into silence. They saw what happened with their attempts at narrative shaping in Gaza, they are deeply alarmed that tik tok won’t be the last thing, a new one could pop up anywhere, right now they play whack a mole, they want to control the whole thing top to bottom.
As to people being sheep. It’s more like they’re beaten down. You defeat this today they come back in a year and then again and again. They have all the money, all the time and are willing to wear people down, use their capitalist owned media to propagandize and sensationalize for this until the people are exhausted and stop fighting it so hard. People work long hours, they take home less money than ever, the government openly abuses people, the police don’t act fairly and persecute black people, there’s a sense of there being no fairness and not enough time. The people are also mis-educated. They’re led to believe there’s this big problem, they don’t understand technology and passively accept their leadership has some amount of good will in how they pass laws and govern to address real problems the bourgeois press has done its job of propagandizing them for. They can’t see the whole picture because of these facts.
China isn’t run by an “oligarchy” but by a dictatorship of the communist party via a mandate of the masses
Almost all one-party systems meet the definition of a oligarchy. Also not via a mandate of the masses, not anymore, read about how Xi Jinping came to be the general secretary.
they execute CEOs and rich people there
You could have worded this a bit better, it reads as “being rich is enough to get you executed” and not as “being rich doesn’t make you exempt from capital punishment”. There’s plenty of those over there ofc, over a thousand billionaires.
They need a police state to control the workers
Bit irrelevant because all states seek to control the workers, that’s how states work. And why all communistic political ideologies aim to abolish the state at some point.
“We have to comply with the law”. This has become Russia or China where the sheep people do whatever an oligarchy dictate. Wasn’t it a democracy? Do the majority of people really want this?
In the end we get what we deserve for being just sheep that obey.
You willing to go to jail then? Or just asking others to do so?
Yes. If US law mandates that I have to run around naked and screaming when in a supermarket I simply won’t do it because it says so. Mostly because US laws have absolute no effect in Denmark. Except those bastards in our government who decided US soldiers on Danish soil would be above Danish law, but that’s another discussion…
But if I were in the US, well, it’s my device and its open source, so who’s stopping me? And if my US-backed Fedora distro is getting affected, who is stopping me from going SUSE, Mint, Manjaro, or some other European distro?
I’m absolutely willing to go to jail. Many human rights have been won thanks to people who went to jail to defend them. And in any case we’re already in jail. It may be a spacious jail now, but they’ll shrink it more and more.
Asking others to do so? By no means no. If they don’t want a democracy, then good for them. They only need to bow their head down and obey. And later on, maybe, they must even watch out not to protest, because that won’t be allowed by the law either.
Doubt
“What are we a bunch of Asians?”
Also China isn’t run by an “oligarchy” but by a dictatorship of the communist party via a mandate of the masses (they execute CEOs and rich people there, we let them rape kids and commit horrific crimes of greed and fine them less than they made off that crime). Russia is but so is the west and I prefer the term capitalists or if you prefer the original French “bourgeoisie”.
There was a study from one of the big ivy league universities that showed that in the US the people don’t get what they want, popular policy is consistently not passed nor popular will acted on. Princeton I think.
So it’s not what people per se want, it’s what the ruling class (capitalists in the west) wants. And they’ve decided that because the rate of profit falls and their demand for profit grows that they need to put the population under lock and key because they’ve made economic conditions worse and they’re going to get worse yet. They need a police state to control the workers who might want better conditions or gasp to take some or all of their wealth. This is part of that.
This is also because China is rising and they are terrified of people seeing a more equal, just society that can be created through socialism. They are terrified of dissenting voices so they want to remove anonymity so they can terrorize dissidents and opponents into silence. They saw what happened with their attempts at narrative shaping in Gaza, they are deeply alarmed that tik tok won’t be the last thing, a new one could pop up anywhere, right now they play whack a mole, they want to control the whole thing top to bottom.
As to people being sheep. It’s more like they’re beaten down. You defeat this today they come back in a year and then again and again. They have all the money, all the time and are willing to wear people down, use their capitalist owned media to propagandize and sensationalize for this until the people are exhausted and stop fighting it so hard. People work long hours, they take home less money than ever, the government openly abuses people, the police don’t act fairly and persecute black people, there’s a sense of there being no fairness and not enough time. The people are also mis-educated. They’re led to believe there’s this big problem, they don’t understand technology and passively accept their leadership has some amount of good will in how they pass laws and govern to address real problems the bourgeois press has done its job of propagandizing them for. They can’t see the whole picture because of these facts.
Almost all one-party systems meet the definition of a oligarchy. Also not via a mandate of the masses, not anymore, read about how Xi Jinping came to be the general secretary.
You could have worded this a bit better, it reads as “being rich is enough to get you executed” and not as “being rich doesn’t make you exempt from capital punishment”. There’s plenty of those over there ofc, over a thousand billionaires.
Bit irrelevant because all states seek to control the workers, that’s how states work. And why all communistic political ideologies aim to abolish the state at some point.