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      6 months ago

      Because if not, then you are putting your own mere 20 minutes of pleasure higher than entire lives of tight, confined, indoor, away from their children and parents, raped, drugged, mutilated while alive of animals. There is no chance that if an animal was living like this on your property such that you had to see it daily, you wouldn’t save it. As it is, nearly everyone happily hires billionaires to do it for them. Most of the time they hide behind “but I neeeeeed foooood!!!”. I’ve not given those scumbags a penny in many years, and I’m alive, I’m not rich, and I am absolutely well nourished. I’ve recently done multiple marathons.

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        6 months ago

        ou are putting your own mere 20 minutes of pleasure higher than entire lives

        the animal is dead long before i decide what to eat. my decision is not a value judgement on their lives.

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          The fact that you habitually pay people to do that animals is what causes them to do this to future animals. You understand this. It tells something that your best defense is this to excuse your actions.

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            6 months ago

            people have free will, and so their choices cannot be said to be caused by anything other than their will. I am not responsible for what people in the meat industry do.

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              6 months ago

              If someone pays someone else $1,000,000 to kill their ex-girlfriend, is only the murderer morally responsible?

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                  6 months ago

                  Paying someone to do immoral actions that harm innocent animals and the environment that we all are forced to share. That is the connection.

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        6 months ago

        I thought we were discussing ecological impacts. this seems to be an entirely different r discussion.

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          The factory farming industry has very significant ecological impacts. In addition to the extreme suffering and misery that it causes to sentient beings. It’s really a lose-lose.

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            6 months ago

            it seems like muddying the waters. why is it so hard to focus on the effectiveness of consumer action in reducing ecological impacts? that is the topic

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              6 months ago

              I see the people consuming the meat and animal products as consumers. I see the impact they have on the planet as ecological impact. I don’t see how this is off topic.

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        6 months ago

        early everyone happily hires billionaires to do it for them.

        no one hires billionaires.

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          6 months ago

          You pay someone to do something for you. Whether this is hiring or paying someone for a service is just semantics. There is an obvious reason why this sort of petty rebuttal is all you are able to use as a response.