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ROFL this thread is hillarious. OP sure picked the wrong instance to ask their question.
(For fuck sakes: Please do not ask questions (expecially questions that may involve politics) in TankieLiteEdition.ml, aka: lemmy.ml)
Those victims of the Belt and Road Initiative, Mongolia, Tibet, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, and probably Taiwan later
and that’s just modern imperialism
Victims of the belt and road initiative? Mongolia also was granted independence ages ago.
The other ones you listed are regions that are part of China.
Suppression of some local cultures, sure, but that’s not really “imperialism”
it’s nice that you’re so selective about the suppression of local culture and foreign governments.
I assume that means you also don’t think the US is imperialist?
US can be more imperialist than China as it has a lot of military bases across the world and actively tries to influence the culture of foreign nations. China is largely self interested.
Although I don’t know to what extent is imperialism bad. I would prefer full on European imperialism than half-hearted selfish imperialism. Like building infrastructure in and supporting your colonies that cannot support themselves.
Is building infrastructure and supporting your colonies not imperialism?
Yeah. I don’t see much wrong with that aspect. Treating them cruelly is the issue.
Imperialism isn’t necessarily bad, it’s just how you go about it.
Some of the issues with the British empire is that they left some places too early.
The Chinese treated Tibet, Mongolia and the Uyghurs cruelly, to name a few from modern history.
I don’t really know who to believe anymore, after the amount of western propoganda going around tbh.
For example, I went to China. Specifically a state-run Church there. And it was normal. The media back here and people kept saying it was purely a propoganda front and “the real believers are underground”.
Some said I’d be arrested immediately upon entering (???). I was greeted quite warmly and friendily by all of the officials. Police were lovely, as well as soldiers
My guess is the stuff we read about are isolated incidents. Some are apparently later dealt with. But by the time said isolated incidents make it to western media, the narrative makes it seem like it’s a nationwide policy.
The chinese banknotes even have Uyghur and Tibetan languages on it. I also met a Uyghur Muslim who was studying in the UK, so she was clearly allowed to leave the country. They can’t hate them that much. Although China does become really paranoid with stuff as well. So I’m not too sure what to believe. Not like I can change anything anyway.
P.S. I also found out a bunch of media I was previously consuming about China was all linked to Li Hongzi, who is an absolute nutcase.
The halved birthrates for the Uyghurs in the last couple of years is a clear sign, they can’t suppress that.
Sounds to me like you got the North Korean Tourist treatment.
You visited as a tourist, not as an advocate; of course, you’re going to see what you want to see. Next time, you should ask about Tiananmen Square or question police powers, and see what happens
And Australia has Aboriginals on their notes too. What an asinine point.
This sounds exactly like someone defending Israel. Oh, I visited Israel, and there are arabs and Palestinians, and everyone is very happy and friendly. They even have Arabic on their banknotes!
If PRC was given a military as powerful as the US, they’d be doing the same thing. Its not “X country is evil”, its ANY country being given that power WILL become evil.
The only way to avoid it is to NOT have ANY county becoming superpowers.
I think in comparison to the USA and per capita or spending or whatever, the PRC spends a lot less on the PLA.