They said that AI is polluting worse than global air travel. They are mixing up pollution vs energy used. If it was pollution global air travel creates 80 Million Tons of CO a month. All AI in use is 15 million tons a month. Global air travel is far more polluting.
As an aside, and this is crazy: there is a reference, in the article OP posted to a paper, that suggests that humans are far worse than AI for CO2 creation depending on the task. Which I found surprising.
So I read the published paper in the journal Nature and:
Our findings reveal that AI systems emit between 130 and 1500 times less CO2e per page of text generated compared to human writer, while AI illustration systems emit between 310 and 2900 times less CO2e per image than their human counterparts. Emissions analyses do not account for social impacts such as professional displacement, legality, and rebound effects. In addition, AI is not a substitute for all human tasks. Nevertheless, at present, the use of AI holds the potential to carry out several major activities at much lower emission levels than can humans.
Thanks for clarifying. You made up statistics, your post is nonsense.
And you responded without any consideration that the consistent reliance on computers, in general, is using a HUGE amount of energy, AI or not, indicate that you simply want to chase windmills and not have a conversation. Well played.
HurrDeeeDurrrr indeed. Next time let the grown ups talk.
Arrg! I didnt mean to delete what I wrote I was just trying to update it.
You confused energy use with pollution.
And what I wrote before was:
I basically said that I was serious, people if they cared would stop using computers. But I am not going to stop, you are not going to stop, so data centers are going to grow no matter what we do, and computing use is going to increase energy consumption. We need to (even says in the article you posted in the links) improve efficiency, get better hardware, use lower cost training models, use energy recovery and not use lossy evaporator cooling.
Edit: Arrrggg! I didnt mean to delete my comment I meant to add to it!
The point I was trying to make was that we are not going to quit using computers, AI or not. Data centers will continue to grow, AI will continue to be used because they are not going to quit either.
I said that before.
What I wanted to add: this is in agreement with several of the links in the article OP posted: more efficient algorithms, better hardware, regenerative water cooling instead of lossy evaporation.
The article suggests training on better models, heat recovery and re-use, even using AI to research better methods for processing and planning energy consumption for AI.
I was serious: we are unlikely to just throw out computers.
Well what you said is not true, but since you are so interested in this, why limit it to AI? Just quit using computers all together.
What is not true?
They said that AI is polluting worse than global air travel. They are mixing up pollution vs energy used. If it was pollution global air travel creates 80 Million Tons of CO a month. All AI in use is 15 million tons a month. Global air travel is far more polluting.
As an aside, and this is crazy: there is a reference, in the article OP posted to a paper, that suggests that humans are far worse than AI for CO2 creation depending on the task. Which I found surprising.
So I read the published paper in the journal Nature and:
Ok I honestly did not see that coming.
lmao time for a new wave of doomerism and anti-humanity
Very well thought out response. Will respond in kind.
HurrDeeeDurrr K
Thanks for clarifying. You made up statistics, your post is nonsense.
And you responded without any consideration that the consistent reliance on computers, in general, is using a HUGE amount of energy, AI or not, indicate that you simply want to chase windmills and not have a conversation. Well played.
HurrDeeeDurrrr indeed. Next time let the grown ups talk.
Gaslighting schmuck. I “made up” nothing. Good day.
Arrg! I didnt mean to delete what I wrote I was just trying to update it.
You confused energy use with pollution.
And what I wrote before was:
I basically said that I was serious, people if they cared would stop using computers. But I am not going to stop, you are not going to stop, so data centers are going to grow no matter what we do, and computing use is going to increase energy consumption. We need to (even says in the article you posted in the links) improve efficiency, get better hardware, use lower cost training models, use energy recovery and not use lossy evaporator cooling.
Edit: Arrrggg! I didnt mean to delete my comment I meant to add to it!
The point I was trying to make was that we are not going to quit using computers, AI or not. Data centers will continue to grow, AI will continue to be used because they are not going to quit either.
I said that before.
What I wanted to add: this is in agreement with several of the links in the article OP posted: more efficient algorithms, better hardware, regenerative water cooling instead of lossy evaporation.
The article suggests training on better models, heat recovery and re-use, even using AI to research better methods for processing and planning energy consumption for AI.
I was serious: we are unlikely to just throw out computers.