Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I’m disappointed in framework’s answer so far

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    i do want to point out how hard it is to even find out about the views of these people, if you just look up the names of the projects and aren’t specifically looking for this information there’s no way you’ll find anything about it

    even looking up the name of David Heinemeier Hansson, the more vocally bad of these, i had to go to the 5th link to find anything even vaguely mentioning his views

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      It’s pretty plain on DHH’s blog:

      In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.

      I wonder what characteristic he uses to define « native brits » that can be seen when walking.

      Or just take a look at his twitter. Which Framework obviously did since they retweet a lot of his posts…

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      15 hours ago

      Isn’t that a good thing?

      I don’t know about you, but I don’t really care what the views of the owners of a business are. It only becomes a problem if they make those views plain.

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        I very much care about the view of business owners are; it’s how I decide to where my “vote” goes when I “vote with my wallet” as I’ve frequently told to do by Capitalism supporters.

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        Wow I guess if you have to scroll all the way to the fifth whole link it can’t possibly be plain, can it?

        Sure the business owner thinks anyone who isn’t white doesn’t count as a person, but he only uses the resources you give him to promote that point of view as a hobby, so why worry?

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          I don’t know, was it a personal blog, some social media post, or a page on the company’s website? You didn’t specify, and I honestly don’t care enough to try to replicate your search.

          If they’re able to separate personal views from how they run their company, it shouldn’t really matter what those views are.

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              This is the part I’m talking about:

              i do want to point out how hard it is to even find out about the views of these people

              even looking up the name of David Heinemeier Hansson, the more vocally bad of these, i had to go to the 5th link to find anything even vaguely mentioning his views

              You are not the person I originally responded to, how would you know they were referencing the OP? There aren’t even 5 links in the article, and if we count the embedded X posts, the fifth link is about Hyprland. I’m pretty sure that’s not what the OP is referring to.

              The OP’s point is that it’s hard to find info on these people’s views, and the links in the OP are from other people doing that digging. As in, we likely wouldn’t know their views if these bloggers didn’t dig through posts looking for it.

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        Well, I guess he has tried to make his views fairly plain on his blog. it’s just a bit hard to find unless you’re looking for it

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          Were the views associated with the company? Or was it purely a personal blog?

          The distinction matters. Many people are able to separate business from politics, but some are not. The former aren’t a concern, the latter definitely are.

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            Your right. I can’t seperate people/business and politics.

            Because people take the money from business and advocate for the death of me and my trans community.

            I don’t see a reason to spereate those two.

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              The furthest I’ve seen is advocating for conservative politicians, which is generally for more favorable tax treatment and maybe some more flexibility in what services they need to provide to their employees.

              I don’t think business owners care about the trans community for good or ill. The only reason it seems that conservatives care at all is because liberals are so vocal about it. And liberals aren’t even really pushing for anything to help the trans community, it’s mostly lip service.

              The real enemy isn’t you average conservative voter, but specific politicians pushing a populist agenda, which paints trans people as the enemy. If it wasn’t trans people, it would be gay people, some variety of immigrant, etc, the target is less important to the movement, they just need to be weak and unpopular enough for them to get away with it. Again, it’s not your average voter, but whoever is pushing that agenda.

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          People who don’t want to give resources to white nationalists. Why do you support funding white nationalists?

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            You’re not funding white nationalists (if that’s what these people are, I have zero idea who they are), you’re funding the product they’re making.