Something that I don’t see mentioned a lot outside of fandom, even though apparently the show was quite big after Netflix picked it up. Lucifer arguably started going downhill in S3, mostly because Fox execs wanted to turn it into a soap opera. Which of course failed, so they dropped the show altogether, only for Netflix to “save” it.
I put that in quotation marks because I kind of wish they just let the show die at the cliffhanger instead of letting the narcs in charge run it into ground. Narcs being the two lapsed Catholic showrunners. The show was still salvageable by the end of S5, but S6 retroactively destroyed everything, making it unwatchable for half of the fandom, while the other half was vaping copium.
I’m not going to write the synopsis, because fuck that burning cesspit, but these are some of the issues with it:
abuse apologia and perpetuation of generational trauma “for the greater good” in a universe with an omni-potent god
uncontested sentiment that bio children are worth more than adopted/step-children
sex shaming
rampant misogyny
glorification of suffering
hamfisted tragic ending clumsily masked with a “bittersweet” wrapping
plus many more very Christian sentiments that nobody asked for (except for the part of the fandom that can’t separate their religion from a TV show).
I have never watched GoT, so I’m not a good judge on this, but not a negligible part of the fandom claimed the Lucifer season/finale was worse. So there’s that.
i thought it was wierd, since the shoe-horned rory intoa show, which is a nephilim of an archangel and a human, which is much more powerful than the angel parent. i think they took some elements from supernatural show because there are some eerily similar scenes, or things that are uncanny between some of the episodes. (both shows had a nephilim, of you guess it lucifer and a human and it was the endgame of the series)
Your mistake is assuming these showrunners had any clue what they were doing and weren’t malicious. As someone who knows way too much about the show, I can tell you that those two showrunners were the death of the show.
If you take a step back, you can see that the highly acclaimed S4 is just a rehash of S3. We have a love triangle—again—that serves to artificially keep the lead couple apart and cause forced drama. S5a is somewhat decent, has its moments, but then S5b crashes hard. Why they had to introduce actual god as a character is anyone’s guess. And then try to absolve him of his terrible behavior, because “he just meant well when he was incflicting trauma on his children. Uwu, look how cute he is”. Not to mention all the episodes they waste on side characters while giving their lead female character nothing.
Come S5b finale and things might be actually going well? Lol, just kidding. Lucifer suddenly isn’t god, he’s just this immature clown who has forgotten all about his monologue about unnecessary human suffering. S6 was just constantly shitting on his character. Like, you can almost physically touch the hatred showrunners felt for him.
Plus, the whole Rory plot? Straight up plot of Flash, except in Flash the daughter didn’t turn into a selfish psycho bitch who chased away her dad to Hell forever (and we could definitely go into the tragedy Rory’s character truly is and how much manipulation and abuse has to go into shaping her to grow up so angry that she travels back in time).
With that said, if we go a little bit back to S4, you can see the big shift in Lucifer as a character. Remember how he blames his dad for manipulating him and making his life miserable in S1-3? S4-S6 Lucifer didn’t put the blame on God one single time. In S4 he blames himself (“There’s something rotten inside of me”), even though he has every right to believe Dad is manipulating him by sending Eve back to the living (which lol, was never explained, just like most of the lore… don’t overthink!). He also has every right to believe his omnipotent Dad doomed his daughter to a closed time loop, since it’s a paradox.
And yet, Lucifer keeps blaming himself, and in the end accepts that going back to Hell is “all part of Dad’s plan, cheeky bastard”. So we go from Lucifer fighting tooth and nail to never go back to Hell (his prison), one of his siblings is literally eradicated from existence in the war for throne in S5, just for him decide he doesn’t really want to be god and instead go back to Hell to “help souls” by… giving them therapy? I.e. doing a sisyphus task because the system remains broken. The stupidity of that alone is mind-boggling (this is another Chloe erasure, btw).
In the end, instead of S6 celebrating how far Lucifer has come despite his awful upbringing and letting Chloe and he enjoy themselves, the showrunners twist these characters into a pretzel to create even more tragedy and drama. S6 makes way more sense when you know that the showrunners worked backwards, i.e. they had a fixed ending for S6 and then had to fit the characters into this inorganic narrative.
As you can see, I could write a 100 page essay on what went wrong with the show and how it’s the showrunners’ fault. Sorry for offloading all this, but there hasn’t been a single show that has made me this salty to date, lol.
Hard agree, I remenver thinking netflix had fixed the show making it more of a comic book show, then it went downhill
It was screwed by it’s early popularity, they write to the lcd, the loud ppl on social media, like felicity becoming the main character of arrow
Something that I don’t see mentioned a lot outside of fandom, even though apparently the show was quite big after Netflix picked it up. Lucifer arguably started going downhill in S3, mostly because Fox execs wanted to turn it into a soap opera. Which of course failed, so they dropped the show altogether, only for Netflix to “save” it.
I put that in quotation marks because I kind of wish they just let the show die at the cliffhanger instead of letting the narcs in charge run it into ground. Narcs being the two lapsed Catholic showrunners. The show was still salvageable by the end of S5, but S6 retroactively destroyed everything, making it unwatchable for half of the fandom, while the other half was vaping copium.
I’m not going to write the synopsis, because fuck that burning cesspit, but these are some of the issues with it:
I have never watched GoT, so I’m not a good judge on this, but not a negligible part of the fandom claimed the Lucifer season/finale was worse. So there’s that.
i thought it was wierd, since the shoe-horned rory intoa show, which is a nephilim of an archangel and a human, which is much more powerful than the angel parent. i think they took some elements from supernatural show because there are some eerily similar scenes, or things that are uncanny between some of the episodes. (both shows had a nephilim, of you guess it lucifer and a human and it was the endgame of the series)
Your mistake is assuming these showrunners had any clue what they were doing and weren’t malicious. As someone who knows way too much about the show, I can tell you that those two showrunners were the death of the show.
If you take a step back, you can see that the highly acclaimed S4 is just a rehash of S3. We have a love triangle—again—that serves to artificially keep the lead couple apart and cause forced drama. S5a is somewhat decent, has its moments, but then S5b crashes hard. Why they had to introduce actual god as a character is anyone’s guess. And then try to absolve him of his terrible behavior, because “he just meant well when he was incflicting trauma on his children. Uwu, look how cute he is”. Not to mention all the episodes they waste on side characters while giving their lead female character nothing.
Come S5b finale and things might be actually going well? Lol, just kidding. Lucifer suddenly isn’t god, he’s just this immature clown who has forgotten all about his monologue about unnecessary human suffering. S6 was just constantly shitting on his character. Like, you can almost physically touch the hatred showrunners felt for him.
Plus, the whole Rory plot? Straight up plot of Flash, except in Flash the daughter didn’t turn into a selfish psycho bitch who chased away her dad to Hell forever (and we could definitely go into the tragedy Rory’s character truly is and how much manipulation and abuse has to go into shaping her to grow up so angry that she travels back in time).
With that said, if we go a little bit back to S4, you can see the big shift in Lucifer as a character. Remember how he blames his dad for manipulating him and making his life miserable in S1-3? S4-S6 Lucifer didn’t put the blame on God one single time. In S4 he blames himself (“There’s something rotten inside of me”), even though he has every right to believe Dad is manipulating him by sending Eve back to the living (which lol, was never explained, just like most of the lore… don’t
overthink!). He also has every right to believe his omnipotent Dad doomed his daughter to a closed time loop, since it’s a paradox.And yet, Lucifer keeps blaming himself, and in the end accepts that going back to Hell is “all part of Dad’s plan, cheeky bastard”. So we go from Lucifer fighting tooth and nail to never go back to Hell (his prison), one of his siblings is literally eradicated from existence in the war for throne in S5, just for him decide he doesn’t really want to be god and instead go back to Hell to “help souls” by… giving them therapy? I.e. doing a sisyphus task because the system remains broken. The stupidity of that alone is mind-boggling (this is another Chloe erasure, btw).
In the end, instead of S6 celebrating how far Lucifer has come despite his awful upbringing and letting Chloe and he enjoy themselves, the showrunners twist these characters into a pretzel to create even more tragedy and drama. S6 makes way more sense when you know that the showrunners worked backwards, i.e. they had a fixed ending for S6 and then had to fit the characters into this inorganic narrative.
As you can see, I could write a 100 page essay on what went wrong with the show and how it’s the showrunners’ fault. Sorry for offloading all this, but there hasn’t been a single show that has made me this salty to date, lol.
Hard agree, I remenver thinking netflix had fixed the show making it more of a comic book show, then it went downhill It was screwed by it’s early popularity, they write to the lcd, the loud ppl on social media, like felicity becoming the main character of arrow