My understanding is that that is because Google and Apple want to onboard it to their own home automation platforms, and HomeAssistant just piggybacked on that because it was easier, and it hasn’t been a priority to rewrite it. But this is based on a few old threads I just looked up, I’m not exactly an expert.
I think there was some talk about Bluetooth onboarding, but that’d require the devices to have a Bluetooth radio, which is more expensive that a QR code sticker. Idk if anyone uses it.
Having something like a WEP button would certainly be nice though.

Well that leaves me with mixed feelings.

Thread itself doesn’t need Internet connectivity, but thread seems to almost always be paired with matter, which does (during provisioning).

I like that matter provisioning requires verification of their certificate, but I don’t like that certificates can expire or the certificate authority can shut down. Although maybe that’s all taken care of by the DCL? In which case that’d be fine.

Can you explain a bit more about the setup?

Like would just using a VPS with pangolin secure tunnel work? Or does it have to be a vpn for some other reason?

Asking because maybe the question really boils down to the VPS provider with the best data transfer rates

If you’re just starting to build out, what about using thread instead of zigbee or zwave?

If you’re getting a VPS I’d generally recommend getting pangolin. It’s basically like cloudflared tunnels, but self hosted (on the vps). It works the same, you use it to map your subdomains to IPs on the other end of the secure tunnel.

It has things like user access controls for each of the subdomains, the ability connect it to an identity provider, rules governing which paths need authentication and which don’t, etc.

It can optionally come preconfigured with crowedsec, but I had problems with it falsely classifying my normal traffic as an attack and banning my IPs.

Just be aware that even if your service has a login page, you first need to log into pangolin to be granted access to the service, and although that’s fine on the web (especially if you’re using an sso), some native apps don’t like the extra login. Homeassistant handles it better now, but I haven’t gotten jellyfin native android app working yet.

I agree except crowedsec. The apps I use were frequently phoning home, causing all my devices to get banned by crowedsec. Setting up rules around it was just too painful so I got rid of it.
Gonna look into if I can set up fail2ban with it instead

Becoming old

Sometimes I can be kinda pedantic

That’s the definition of an egg, not chicken egg.

There is no universally accepted definition, that defines it by the creature that laid it or the creature that hatches from it.
If there was, this dilemma wouldn’t exist and there wouldn’t be any debate.

The amazing thing about imagination is it doesn’t need to be consistent or based in reality. People can typically imagine such things.

For example, I can imagine an elephant disguised as a normal sized human in a trench coat, because within my imagination, hammerspace can exist.

As such, I can imagine an egg that has every single property of a chicken egg; look, flavour, size, smell, colour, etc, such that it was absolutely indistinguishable from a chicken egg until it miraculously hatched an alligator. I extremely strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of people would have understood what was meant by the thought experiment.

And literally you’re just asserting you’re correct by fiat. The people on the other side make the exact same argument about their side. You seem to be missing that this entire dilemma hinges on the fact that there is no specific definition for “chicken egg”, so to claim you’re correct by definition is baseless afaict.

The best argument I’ve seen so far is that the entire dilemma doesn’t even make sense since the chicken is the egg; it’s the same animal just in different phases of its life, therefore one cannot come before the other; it’d be like saying “which came first, the chicken or the other chicken?”. But that comes dangerously close to the question of when life begins, so gonna try to avoid that.

Literally why I started off my comment talking about the difference between peaceful and fair.

Because many people would consider “peaceful” to mean “without physical violence” in this context - so I described what that could be. Something china is actually actively in the process of doing.

Idk how that means I have my head up my ass. One of us is using the wrong definition for that idiom.

You have a crazy definition of “advocate”.

Apparently if you describe it, that is considered “advocacy” even if you explicitly denounce it.

I honestly do not believe that when I said that, you not only didn’t but we’re unable to imagine an egg that by all properties confirmed to the expectations of a chicken egg until an alligator miraculously hatched out of it.

I do not believe you’re debating in good faith

Why are you conflating “peaceful” with either “act of peace” or “good”?
I explicitly said it wasn’t fair, eg that it’s unethical and I don’t support it.

All I’m saying is that China has a clear path to stop the world from getting involved if they do decide to invade, and that China has had recently success taking over countries with little violence.

So your framing this as though I’m a Gretzky supporter is kinda wild.

It’s almost like you intentionally misunderstood my comment to make a point.

Would it be an act of peace? Absolutely not.
Would it be peace_ful_, if you ignore everything else I said in my comment? Absolutely not.

But if OP is looking for the most peaceful (least bloodshed) way of “unifying” Taiwan and mainland China, then this is how. Remove Taiwan’s value to the west, propaganda tf outta the next gen, come in with overwhelming force as the world looks on and does nothing, install pro-china govt officials, ramp up propaganda, withdrawal blantant military force.

I explicitly said this was not fair eg it would be bad and unethical so this isn’t something I support obviously.

Peaceful or fair?

For peaceful, I think that China needs to make it so the world doesn’t depend on them for high end chip manufacturer, so the USA stops caring about them because they’re not a critical strategic national interest.
Then they just invade.

The world isn’t doing shit about Gaza, the world is barely doing anything about Ukraine. I think the world sits by and watches it happen, if they’re not a critical strategic interest.

Naw, I think a few of the original members are still there

So, not “technically” at all (see my user name)

Oh get over yourself

Short form is cool because it’s like constrained writing.

Tiktok was pretty great while it was just silly videos.\ But it’s not short form anymore so it’s full of political essays and propaganda.

I kinda hope that loops is more like vine than tiktok or vertical YouTube. But it’ll probably be up to the instance to govern video length.