

the Mandriva family (OpenMandriva, Mageia, PCLinuxOS, ROSA, ALT Linux)
Originally based on Red Hat Linux and the forks are obviously not built from the ground up either.
In fact, any fork of anything is just outright against the premise of OP.
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the Mandriva family (OpenMandriva, Mageia, PCLinuxOS, ROSA, ALT Linux)
Originally based on Red Hat Linux and the forks are obviously not built from the ground up either.
In fact, any fork of anything is just outright against the premise of OP.


Based on Ubuntu
So not fitting the “built from the ground up” criteria asked by OP.


Just stretch out your arms and tell the Cassowary to stay calm. Always works!



They already explained why they didn’t.


Having a sense of humor helps.
True and people without any shouldn’t attempt April Fool jokes


Easy fix: Don’t fork OnlyOffice. Start your own office suite and just happen to port over some parts of the code base that do not include any logos. Same, same but different.


I honestly don’t under understand why Systemd’s addition of an optional age verification module was such a big deal. This is a smart move that helps manage risk while having no real impact on anything.
Drama queens love to freak out about optional nothingburgers. It’s their entire personality.


They can simply say on their download pages that residents of Brazil and California are not allowed to use their OS.


I’m here wondering if it will be a good time to switch over to Devuan
LOL. Do you really think that because that thing is supported for commercial distros like RHEL, it would have any impact on the Debians etc. of the world?


Is Valve’s update cycle really worse than what the typical Android device gets?
No but also yes. No because Valve supports their hardware extremely long but also yes because several design decisions of SteamOS as seen on Steam Deck weren’t made with data security in mind. Storage isn’t encrypted, Game Mode has only a simple PIN lock but the underlying Linux account “deck” has no password, so Desktop Mode (=KDE Plasma) cannot be locked out of the box.
That said, Valve will release a Linux ARM version of Steam later this year, so there is no need to solely rely on Valve for a Linux phone that runs Steam and its games.


It’s unmaintained the same way Debian would be. It’s a community repository.
It’s a “community” repository that’s enabled by default and subject to Ubuntu’s draconian version number freeze rules. Fedora isn’t. I already explained that. I suggest you scroll back up and read what I wrote and try to understand what I wrote.


Wrong.
I’m 100% right.
You can skip Pro and get the same experience you get with any other distro.
And that’s where you are wrong. Fedora etc. ship package updates for the entire support cycle. Ubuntu only for Main. Universe is left without formal support. Fedora etc. have no problems shipping updates. I already explained it to you. You just don’t understand.


Leap is two years. LMDE support ends soon after the newest version. Fedora gets 13 months after the newest version I believe.
And they do that without requiring anybody to sign up for a Pro plan. Ubuntu ships unmaintained software to people who don’t sign up for Pro. That’s a fact.


Most people don’t care about snaps or the backend of the infrastructure that they download their app from
And that’s why they pass by distributions that make Flatpaks such a hurdle to use. Steam Deck sealed the fate of Snaps and handed Flatpak the victory. Steam Hardware & Software Survey shows a steady decline of Ubuntu in the last years.



Ubuntu is the most well known distro among the general public.
Not among all groups. Gamer, for example, mostly left Ubuntu behind already.
The most vehement Ubuntu proponents are 30+ olds who moved to Ubuntu 15 years ago and never ever broadened their horizon. That’s probably why much of Ubuntu’s community-created documentation is so outdated.


now I’m not sure about unity either.
Unity didn’t but its predecessor Netbook Launcher did.


Right, but if you’re after the level of “stability” that Canonical is offering, where are you getting it for free?
Fedora, Alma Linux, openSUSE Leap, LMDE,…


They also don’t provide those updates.
Fedora allows all updates that do not break compatibility. To update packages in Universe means adhering to overly zealous version number freeze policy, whereas leaf packages in Fedora can be updates without much fuss. I contributed a small number (only two or three) of updates to Fedora packages years ago. Nothing was a core package, only tiny stand-alone utilities, so the stuff that would be in Universe under Ubuntu, but they had new version numbers. Updates were accepted by the maintainers without much trouble.
I am a Fedora guy by the way.
So you should know that I’m right.


This was always the case.
Yes, I know. So? Doesn’t change the fact that users of Debian/Fedora/… don’t have to sign up for a “Pro” service to get the same security updates.
You connect TVs to WiFi?