• ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml
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    12 hours ago

    Why would nvidia have new money to invest when its stock goes up? That’s not how the stock market works, you buy stock from other investors, not the company. Unless they finance all their investments with debt and use their higher valuation to get easier access to that financing. Which seems unlikely.

    Don’t get me wrong, I 100% think AI is a crap bubble, but I don’t think you understood how this scam works.

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      43 minutes ago

      That’s not how the stock market works, you buy stock from other investors, not the company.

      The company can issue more stock, not just use debt for its financing. And the value of the new stock is strongly influenced by the market price of the stock that has already been issued.

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      6 hours ago

      NVIDIA sells GPUs to Oracle. Oracle sells GPU time to openai.

      When time comes to pay the bills, openai doesn’t have the money to pay Oracle who then doesn’t have money to pay NVIDIA. So, Oracle gives stock to NVIDIA, and openai also gives stock to NVIDIA.

      NVIDIA doesn’t care if both go broke because now a gpu is worth a lot more, and in the books they’re selling a lot more GPUs each for a lot more money. So NVIDIA stock goes through the roof even if they ran out of cash and got into ridiculous debt.

      Shareholders have a ridiculous profit, NVIDIA directors get a massive bonus and NVIDIA CEO gets famous.

      Why is it a problem? Because nobody has cash and this can’t go on forever without some massive bankruptcies. I’m sceptical anyone is paying their power bills or servicing bank loans, so these may get dragged into the mud too.

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        4 hours ago

        Wouldn’t NVIDIA care? They now own part of the company in exchange for that hardware?

        If they go bankrupt, nvidia loses their stake in a company, and it all falls apart. GPUs won’t stay this expensive if this implodes.

        OpenAI though, can only go on for as long as their venture capitalists are willing to support it.

        I’m not convinced the current LLM architecture can ever make an AGI, but it a can be useful and be made more useful. There could come a point where it’s usefulness and it’s short comings reach a profitable point that people will accept.

        What could also help is nvidia being able to come out with more power efficient chips as well. It could go a long way to solving at least one of the problem.