• LSNLDN@slrpnk.net
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    15 days ago

    No because I’m not a proud antisemite despite some people’s use of the word

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        15 days ago

        Antisemitism has be co-opted and applied to any and all criticism of Israel, as opposed to it’s previous meaning, hatred of Jews/Judaism. This isn’t strictly because the meaning of the word is being used differently as much as it is that proponents of Israel like to conflate Israel with all of Judaism, or even more broadly with all Jews (as an ethnic group as opposed to a religious one). Since Israel takes any criticism to be hatred, the inevitable consequence is that criticism of Israel becomes antisemitism. I’m splitting hairs here and probably making things more complicated than they need to be… But hopefully you understand what I’m getting at.

        Incidentally, even in its more broadly accepted definition “antisemitism” itself is a bit of an etymological oddity, because “Semites”, or the Semitic people, are both Jews, Arabs and others… Judaeophobia is an alternative that is unquestionably specific to Jews/Judaism.

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          Well as a Germany I have to be very careful what I say about this topic.

          Let’s first make clear that the Israeli government and Jews are not the same entity.

          Then let me state that I don’t care about your religion you can believe in what you want.

          Now I can say that I don’t agree with the current actions of Israeli government in this war.

          Antisemitism should always be the word for the racism against Jews. When people call you that for criticising war actions of the Israeli government then ignore them or give them the Wikipedia article for the word.

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            14 days ago

            Antisemitism should always be the word for the racism against Jews

            Nope. Not even that. [(Open to hearing any reasoning why though.)]

            Like was just said [nearly well enough (because not all of them)] in what you replied to:

            Incidentally, even in its more broadly accepted definition “antisemitism” itself is a bit of an etymological oddity, because “Semites”, or the Semitic people, are both Jews, Arabs and others… Judaeophobia is an alternative that is unquestionably specific to Jews/Judaism.

            Imagine how nice it’d be if we mended language, undoing the Orwellianisms. We’d be able to communicate.

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              14 days ago

              Well I just don’t like that the meaning gets washed out by this black white thinking. Either you are pro Israel or you are antisemitic.

              Yes language changes. And I now don’t want to talk about this anymore. I can’t do shit about it and it depresses me.

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                14 days ago

                There’s something you can do. You shall seek it, find it, and do it.

                Even if it’s just averting the lie within the lie, and avoiding the language of the oppressor that spreads not just the lie, but the lie within the lie.

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            15 days ago

            Yeah Germany especially are treating terribly their protesting population who don’t want to see children being murdered en masse by a state. Which is HORRIBLY IRONIC.