I would vote for it, because it seems nice and I don’t see myself sitting still regardless, just that I’d choose more fulfilling / societally beneficial work if there weren’t this idea of needing to provide and work with market forces. But then it came up with my cousin and she said she’d do fuck all, travel, spend time horse riding or whatnot, anything but work because why bother. Less anecdotal studies show cautiously positive results (or exceedingly positive in misleading headlines until you open the study and find two sides to the coin), but afaik have so far been very limited in both scale and duration. So idk but it seems at least worth a real try. Do we always need to have strong opinions?
Well, I did phrase it that way intentionally. I’d like to hear compelling reasoning from both sides. Typically the stronger your opinion the more compelling a case you’ll be able to make. I like it in theory, I think. But I’m not an economist and I like lots of really stupid shit in theory. So I don’t know, but I’d like to hear from people who do or at least think they do.
For those struggling to survive… UBI would benefit them.
But for those who are higher on the treadmill and seeking leisure above all else (like your example)… UBI would just allow them to be more of a mooch/loser than they already are inclined to be.
I’ve def met tons of people who basically only work because it means they have lots of money to spend on leisure. These are the same people who have very bad finances, despite having often high paying jobs. They don’t seek to use income to benefit their life in a more long term way… everything is short term hedonistic impulsive pursuits and they only ‘work’ because they have to pay off the debt.
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I would vote for it, because it seems nice and I don’t see myself sitting still regardless, just that I’d choose more fulfilling / societally beneficial work if there weren’t this idea of needing to provide and work with market forces. But then it came up with my cousin and she said she’d do fuck all, travel, spend time horse riding or whatnot, anything but work because why bother. Less anecdotal studies show cautiously positive results (or exceedingly positive in misleading headlines until you open the study and find two sides to the coin), but afaik have so far been very limited in both scale and duration. So idk but it seems at least worth a real try. Do we always need to have strong opinions?
“Do we need to have strong opinions?”
Well, I did phrase it that way intentionally. I’d like to hear compelling reasoning from both sides. Typically the stronger your opinion the more compelling a case you’ll be able to make. I like it in theory, I think. But I’m not an economist and I like lots of really stupid shit in theory. So I don’t know, but I’d like to hear from people who do or at least think they do.
It’s all about the hedonsitic treadmill.
For those struggling to survive… UBI would benefit them.
But for those who are higher on the treadmill and seeking leisure above all else (like your example)… UBI would just allow them to be more of a mooch/loser than they already are inclined to be.
I’ve def met tons of people who basically only work because it means they have lots of money to spend on leisure. These are the same people who have very bad finances, despite having often high paying jobs. They don’t seek to use income to benefit their life in a more long term way… everything is short term hedonistic impulsive pursuits and they only ‘work’ because they have to pay off the debt.
So nothing would really change for them, right?
They’d get UBI, but it wouldn’t cover their lifestyle. So they’d still be working to support that, no? And UBI would just mean they have a safety net?
She… realizes it’s a basic income, right? Traveling is not going to be fun or affordable unless she does it hobo style.