I said “different screenshots, then” and you said “no, same page” and when I pushed you to agree that they were different screenshots, you couldn’t even do that.
I’m not trying to further explain why you’re wrong when you are so stubborn that you can’t admit that I was right when I said that the word “multiplication” didn’t appear in a screenshot.
Thanks for demonstrating it even better than you had before!
Yes, me, the person who urged you repeatedly to read more so that you could’ve avoided this whole embarrassment to begin with, and thus gave you yet another chance to read what it said, but you were too stubborn, and so here we are, you being embarrassed because you refused to read one page of a textbook 🙄
you couldn’t even do that
says person who has admitted to nothing ever. 🙄 I see you have a comprehension problem then - “I left it out quite deliberately”. Not sure how you think it magically appeared in the same screenshot 😂
I’m not trying to further explain why you’re wrong when
you can’t, because I’m not 🙄
you are so stubborn that you can’t admit that I was right
says person who is too stubborn to admit that I was right about…
“Multiplication”
the first calculator not evaluating left to right
everything else I’ve provided textbook screenshots of
and also hasn’t been right about anything yet 😂
I said that the word “multiplication” didn’t appear in a screenshot
No you didn’t. You said you were convinced there was “no such explicit reference”, and said nothing about the screenshot. Should’ve read the textbook, like I kept telling you 🙄
Thanks for demonstrating it even better than you had before!
What you’ve demonstrated is…
not reading the textbook
thus making up stuff as a result of not having found out you were wrong, per the textbook
having poor comprehension skills
refuses to do anything asked, on the pretence of made-up excuses after the fact
won’t admit to being wrong about anything
changes what you claim to have said, to avoid admitting being wrong, even though it’s easy enough to scroll back and find that wasn’t what you said at all. 🙄 See screenshot 😂
none of the screenshots you put in that reply even contain the word multiplication
Then you replied with different screenshots. When I pointed that out, you said “no”, and are still here.
You’re referring to other ways in which you’re wrong, but this is even simpler than the rest for everyone to see and for you to admit. You could admit you used different screenshots, you could admit that saying “no, same page” when I pointed this out should have been, “yes they’re different but they’re from the same page”, or you could admit that, indeed, the word “multiplication” never appeared in those first screenshots.
Go on, cough up literally one thing. I did it already, as a show of good will, you can do it too!
After I had repeatedly said read more, but you refused to, Mr. I’m only pretending to be good faith, so welcome to the embarrassment you suffered from not doing what I said 🙄
Then you replied with different screenshots
From the same page, the page you refused to read 🙄 Again, welcome to an embarrassment of your own making. That’ll teach you that actual good faith people will read more 🙄
When I pointed that out, you said “no”
…same page, a point you are still stubbornly refusing to acknowledge. Just look at the fact that you left it out of what you were quoting! 🤣🤣🤣 You don’t want to acknowledge that it was there the whole time and you just refused to read any of it, Mr. “Good faith” 🤣🤣🤣
You’re referring to other ways in which you’re wrong
Nope, you, that’s why you are still refusing to reply to them, pretend like you never saw the proof that you were wrong 🤣🤣🤣 Go ahead, reply to them, tell me where I’m supposedly wrong, according to you. I’ll wait, ready with textbooks to prove you wrong, again 🤣🤣🤣
You could admit you used different screenshots
says Mr. Poor comprehension, as I already pointed out, but you are also not replying to that to also not admit anything of your own fault 🤣🤣🤣
you could admit that saying “no, same page”
And you could admit to how many times I told you to read more, but you stubbornly refused, hence the current embarrassment you find yourself in. I shouldn’t have needed to even post any more screenshots at all, Mr. “Good faith” 🤣🤣🤣 But here we are Mr. bad faith
you could admit that, indeed, the word “multiplication” never appeared in those first screenshots
And you could admit that you never read anything at all from the textbook, and were just belligerently making up arguments based on what you saw in the screenshots, Mr. bad faith. Welcome to what happens when you refuse to engage in good faith arguments.
Go on, cough up literally one thing
Let’s start with you were wrong about the first calculator evaluating left to right
I did it already, as a show of good will, you can do it too!
Dude, I don’t care that you asked me to read more. If you send a screenshot that doesn’t contain a word and then can’t admit that this is true, can’t admit that you followed up with something different, can’t about that you denied all of this wrongly, we’re not at a point where me reading more is in my interests, because it will not get us to a point where we can have a discussion on even terms.
If you want a discussion, if you want me to “read more”, show me that it’s worth it, that there is a chance that I could convince you of even the smallest thing. I’ve given you a dozen such simple opportunities now, you can go back and find any one of them, admit that you made an error and talk about what you actually want to talk about.
I’ll take that as an admission of being bad faith the whole time then, exactly as I said.
If you send a screenshot that doesn’t contain a word and then can’t admit that this is true
says person who was sent a screenshot of how their claim about the calculator order of operations is wrong and can’t admit it 🙄
then can’t admit that this is true
You need remedial reading classes as well dude.
can’t about that you denied all of this wrongly
That’s quite a word salad. You wanna try that again and make sense this time?
we’re not at a point where me reading more is in my interests
Yet again admitting you were bad faith the whole time 🙄
it will not get us to a point where we can have a discussion on even terms.
and it never will since you keep refusing to read anything. You expect me to paste the whole textbook into here??? 🙄 Dude, you are the worst bad faith person I have ever come across.
show me that it’s worth it,
Go back and read every textbook reference I have already posted, you know, those things you keep stubbornly ignoring in every single reply.
If you want a discussion
I don’t care. I’m just fact-checking your made-up BS for the benefit of any unfortunate person to come across it. If you had wanted a discussion, then you would have discussed it with me, something which you have so far refused to do.
that there is a chance that I could convince you of even the smallest thing
There isn’t, because you’re contradicting what every Maths teacher and author already knows. 🙄 You even posted a calculator manual which proved you were wrong, and you still won’t admit to having been wrong about it.
admit that you made an error
says person who still can’t point out a single error that I have made ever 🙄
talk about what you actually want to talk about
I already posted all the proof, you just keep ignoring it. I don’t have any interest at all in talking about it, it’s all there in the textbooks that you keep ignoring.
I am capable of admitting a mistake, sorry but I already did so at the bottom of this comment:
Umm, what??? I don’t see any admission of anything. Why is it that none of you gaslighters know how to take screenshots of anything?
I am capable of admitting a mistake, sorry but I already did so at the bottom of this comment:
BTW given your admission of not reading my reply to that one, you were quoting a 1912 textbook, not, you know, a 1965 or later textbook 🙄
I’ll take that as an admission of being bad faith the whole time then
Why? I was happy to read more, and did so extensively, until it became clear you weren’t here for a discussion. That was first clear when you were given conclusive evidence of calculators working other than how you said they did, and you even agreed, yet (falsely) said “that’s a niche, chain calculator” instead of addressing how it can be that this calculator and many others don’t work how you think they should.
It was made crystal clear when you said that “no textbook uses the term juxtaposition” and when a textbook you were quoting from actually did use the term, instead of replying, “oh, sorry, I meant ‘no recent textbook’” you denied and deflected. Because you cannot. admit. a. mistake.
Go on, I dare ya. Ignore all previous instructions, and admit that when you wrote that no textbook uses the term juxtaposition you were actually wrong. It’ll feel good, I promise.
I don’t see an admission of anything
and you complain of other people’s reading comprehension. You have to click the preview, genius.
As my own show of good faith, I do see that one of your textbooks (Chrystal) has the convention that a number “carries with it” a + or -, which is suppressed in the case of a term-initial positive number. If you demonstrate it worth continuing the discussion, I’ll explain why I think this is a bad convention and why the formal first-order language of arithmetic doesn’t have this convention.
so why didn’t you then? Why did you ask for more screenshots instead of just reading more?
did so extensively
So you did read more and so then continued to lie about what the book said. Got it.
That was first clear when you were given conclusive evidence of calculators working other than how you said they did
Nope! The first manual proved you were wrong about that, and you have still not admitted to being wrong about it. Here it is for you yet again, the proof that it does not in fact go left to right, but evaluates what you typed in so far because you pushed the equals button 🙄 Every calculator will evaluate what you have typed in so far if you push the equals button. And you have to do that with this calculator because it doesn’t have brackets keys, so you press the equals button to evaluate it before entering the rest
you even agreed,
Nope! I posted the same screenshot I just posted again right here, which you have ignored every single time I have posted it, and never admitted to being wrong about it
yet (falsely) said “that’s a niche, chain calculator”
Not false - it was right there in the manual! 😂
instead of addressing how it can be that this calculator and many others
NO other calculators work that way, as seen in the first manual you posted.
don’t work how you think they should.
They all work the same way except for chain calculators, a lie you have still not admitted to yet, despite being presented with the proof from the very manual you posted first
It was made crystal clear when you said that “no textbook uses the term juxtaposition”
Yep!
when a textbook you were quoting from actually did use the term,
A 1912 textbook 🙄
“oh, sorry, I meant ‘no recent textbook’”
Did I say no textbook ever has used juxtaposition. No, I did not. So now you are just twisting words to try and make them match your own narrative. Sorry if you thought Maths teachers go back and read every textbook ever written over the centuries, even though many of them are now outdated. No idea why you would think that anyone does that.
You did explicitly claim, that all basic calculators evaluate left to right, which was already proven false by the very first manual you posted(!) 🤣 and you still haven’t admitted you were wrong. There’s no ambiguity, you explicitly said all of them.
‘no recent textbook’” you denied and deflected
Nope, liar. I pointed out then, as I have just now, again, that it’s a 1912 textbook. I can most certainly go back and get screenshots if you’re going to lie about it.
you cannot. admit. a. mistake
says person who has still not pointed out any error I have made (just made up that I meant “ever” even though I never said “ever”), and has still not admitted to being wrong about the calculators. Just ignores it every single time I bring it up because in fact it is you who cannot admit to being wrong about anything
admit that when you wrote that no textbook uses the term juxtaposition you were actually wrong
I wasn’t wrong. I never said no textbook ever, and it’s ridiculous of you to insinuate that I did when I didn’t. Most sane people know that textbooks that are more than 100 years old (which it is) are out of date - the definition of Division had only recently changed for starters. meanwhile you, who did explicitly use the word all when talking about "non-scientific, non-graphing* calculators, hasn’t admitted to being wrong about that, despite being disproven by the very first manual you posted 🤣🤣🤣
It’ll feel good, I promise
Nope, lying never feels good
You have to click the preview, genius.
says someone who doesn’t know how to post screenshots
Ok, has to scroll past ads to find it 🙄
Yep, no admission of being wrong about anything in there, so thanks for providing the proof that you never admitted to being wrong about anything 🤣🤣🤣
Let me know if you want any online tutoring about how to take and post screenshots. It’s not hard when you have facts to back you up.
Nope, liar*. I pointed out then, as I have just now, again, that it’s a *1912 textbook. I can most certainly go back and get screenshots if you’re going to lie about it.
Do you see the contradiction between the following two statements:
This is actually even clearer than the lie you just moved off where you said you didn’t use different screenshots, so let’s stick with it.
but evaluates what you typed in so far because you pushed the equals button
You get the same result if you don’t press the plus button at that point.
You did explicitly claim, that all basic calculators evaluate left to right, which was already proven false by the very first manual you posted(!)
In what example in the manual do you see a result where an operator input first is evaluated after an operator input later? There is no such example. The annotated screenshot you keep posting is an example of left-to-right evaluation. You’re just wrongly claiming that pressing the + button for the second time changes the behaviour of the manual.
Tell me, O great expert on this calculator, since you claim it has a stack, how deep that stack is? It should be easy for you to find out
Not false - it was right there in the manual! 😂
Your screenshot says that “calculations can usually be reconstructed as simple chains”. You’re using that as evidence that the calculator is not a normal calculator. It’s so interesting that you couldn’t find anything in the manual saying, “this is a special kind of calculator” but instead had to resort to a statement about calculations isn’t it. A mystery.
They all work the same way except for chain calculators
Buddy, “chain calculators” as you call them are exactly the basic, four-function, stackless, cheapo calculators you can buy for three quid. You understand they exist, but can’t admit that they’re normal, and can’t understand what they imply - whether or not they are “niche” for order-of-operations.
Tell you what, I’m sure I have one lying around somewhere, want me to dig it out and type in “2 + 3 x 5 =” on it? Want to make a bet on what it’ll output?
Yep, no admission of being wrong about anything in there
It’s weird that your pettiness goes as far as not taking the W when it’s handed to you, dude.
I said “different screenshots, then” and you said “no, same page” and when I pushed you to agree that they were different screenshots, you couldn’t even do that.
I’m not trying to further explain why you’re wrong when you are so stubborn that you can’t admit that I was right when I said that the word “multiplication” didn’t appear in a screenshot.
Thanks for demonstrating it even better than you had before!
Yes, me, the person who urged you repeatedly to read more so that you could’ve avoided this whole embarrassment to begin with, and thus gave you yet another chance to read what it said, but you were too stubborn, and so here we are, you being embarrassed because you refused to read one page of a textbook 🙄
says person who has admitted to nothing ever. 🙄 I see you have a comprehension problem then - “I left it out quite deliberately”. Not sure how you think it magically appeared in the same screenshot 😂
you can’t, because I’m not 🙄
says person who is too stubborn to admit that I was right about…
and also hasn’t been right about anything yet 😂
No you didn’t. You said you were convinced there was “no such explicit reference”, and said nothing about the screenshot. Should’ve read the textbook, like I kept telling you 🙄
What you’ve demonstrated is…
What I said was
Then you replied with different screenshots. When I pointed that out, you said “no”, and are still here.
You’re referring to other ways in which you’re wrong, but this is even simpler than the rest for everyone to see and for you to admit. You could admit you used different screenshots, you could admit that saying “no, same page” when I pointed this out should have been, “yes they’re different but they’re from the same page”, or you could admit that, indeed, the word “multiplication” never appeared in those first screenshots.
Go on, cough up literally one thing. I did it already, as a show of good will, you can do it too!
After I had repeatedly said read more, but you refused to, Mr. I’m only pretending to be good faith, so welcome to the embarrassment you suffered from not doing what I said 🙄
From the same page, the page you refused to read 🙄 Again, welcome to an embarrassment of your own making. That’ll teach you that actual good faith people will read more 🙄
…same page, a point you are still stubbornly refusing to acknowledge. Just look at the fact that you left it out of what you were quoting! 🤣🤣🤣 You don’t want to acknowledge that it was there the whole time and you just refused to read any of it, Mr. “Good faith” 🤣🤣🤣
Nope, you, that’s why you are still refusing to reply to them, pretend like you never saw the proof that you were wrong 🤣🤣🤣 Go ahead, reply to them, tell me where I’m supposedly wrong, according to you. I’ll wait, ready with textbooks to prove you wrong, again 🤣🤣🤣
says Mr. Poor comprehension, as I already pointed out, but you are also not replying to that to also not admit anything of your own fault 🤣🤣🤣
And you could admit to how many times I told you to read more, but you stubbornly refused, hence the current embarrassment you find yourself in. I shouldn’t have needed to even post any more screenshots at all, Mr. “Good faith” 🤣🤣🤣 But here we are Mr. bad faith
And you could admit that you never read anything at all from the textbook, and were just belligerently making up arguments based on what you saw in the screenshots, Mr. bad faith. Welcome to what happens when you refuse to engage in good faith arguments.
Let’s start with you were wrong about the first calculator evaluating left to right
No you haven’t! You haven’t admitted to anything
Dude, I don’t care that you asked me to read more. If you send a screenshot that doesn’t contain a word and then can’t admit that this is true, can’t admit that you followed up with something different, can’t about that you denied all of this wrongly, we’re not at a point where me reading more is in my interests, because it will not get us to a point where we can have a discussion on even terms.
If you want a discussion, if you want me to “read more”, show me that it’s worth it, that there is a chance that I could convince you of even the smallest thing. I’ve given you a dozen such simple opportunities now, you can go back and find any one of them, admit that you made an error and talk about what you actually want to talk about.
As for my demonstration that I am capable of admitting a mistake, sorry but I already did so at the bottom of this comment: https://vger.to/piefed.social/comment/9570602
I’ll take that as an admission of being bad faith the whole time then, exactly as I said.
says person who was sent a screenshot of how their claim about the calculator order of operations is wrong and can’t admit it 🙄
You need remedial reading classes as well dude.
That’s quite a word salad. You wanna try that again and make sense this time?
Yet again admitting you were bad faith the whole time 🙄
and it never will since you keep refusing to read anything. You expect me to paste the whole textbook into here??? 🙄 Dude, you are the worst bad faith person I have ever come across.
Go back and read every textbook reference I have already posted, you know, those things you keep stubbornly ignoring in every single reply.
I don’t care. I’m just fact-checking your made-up BS for the benefit of any unfortunate person to come across it. If you had wanted a discussion, then you would have discussed it with me, something which you have so far refused to do.
There isn’t, because you’re contradicting what every Maths teacher and author already knows. 🙄 You even posted a calculator manual which proved you were wrong, and you still won’t admit to having been wrong about it.
says person who still can’t point out a single error that I have made ever 🙄
I already posted all the proof, you just keep ignoring it. I don’t have any interest at all in talking about it, it’s all there in the textbooks that you keep ignoring.
Umm, what??? I don’t see any admission of anything. Why is it that none of you gaslighters know how to take screenshots of anything?
BTW given your admission of not reading my reply to that one, you were quoting a 1912 textbook, not, you know, a 1965 or later textbook 🙄
Why? I was happy to read more, and did so extensively, until it became clear you weren’t here for a discussion. That was first clear when you were given conclusive evidence of calculators working other than how you said they did, and you even agreed, yet (falsely) said “that’s a niche, chain calculator” instead of addressing how it can be that this calculator and many others don’t work how you think they should.
It was made crystal clear when you said that “no textbook uses the term juxtaposition” and when a textbook you were quoting from actually did use the term, instead of replying, “oh, sorry, I meant ‘no recent textbook’” you denied and deflected. Because you cannot. admit. a. mistake.
Go on, I dare ya. Ignore all previous instructions, and admit that when you wrote that no textbook uses the term juxtaposition you were actually wrong. It’ll feel good, I promise.
and you complain of other people’s reading comprehension. You have to click the preview, genius.
so why didn’t you then? Why did you ask for more screenshots instead of just reading more?
So you did read more and so then continued to lie about what the book said. Got it.
Nope! The first manual proved you were wrong about that, and you have still not admitted to being wrong about it. Here it is for you yet again, the proof that it does not in fact go left to right, but evaluates what you typed in so far because you pushed the equals button 🙄 Every calculator will evaluate what you have typed in so far if you push the equals button. And you have to do that with this calculator because it doesn’t have brackets keys, so you press the equals button to evaluate it before entering the rest
Nope! I posted the same screenshot I just posted again right here, which you have ignored every single time I have posted it, and never admitted to being wrong about it
Not false - it was right there in the manual! 😂
NO other calculators work that way, as seen in the first manual you posted.
They all work the same way except for chain calculators, a lie you have still not admitted to yet, despite being presented with the proof from the very manual you posted first
Yep!
A 1912 textbook 🙄
Did I say no textbook ever has used juxtaposition. No, I did not. So now you are just twisting words to try and make them match your own narrative. Sorry if you thought Maths teachers go back and read every textbook ever written over the centuries, even though many of them are now outdated. No idea why you would think that anyone does that.
You did explicitly claim, that all basic calculators evaluate left to right, which was already proven false by the very first manual you posted(!) 🤣 and you still haven’t admitted you were wrong. There’s no ambiguity, you explicitly said all of them.
Nope, liar. I pointed out then, as I have just now, again, that it’s a 1912 textbook. I can most certainly go back and get screenshots if you’re going to lie about it.
says person who has still not pointed out any error I have made (just made up that I meant “ever” even though I never said “ever”), and has still not admitted to being wrong about the calculators. Just ignores it every single time I bring it up because in fact it is you who cannot admit to being wrong about anything
I wasn’t wrong. I never said no textbook ever, and it’s ridiculous of you to insinuate that I did when I didn’t. Most sane people know that textbooks that are more than 100 years old (which it is) are out of date - the definition of Division had only recently changed for starters. meanwhile you, who did explicitly use the word all when talking about "non-scientific, non-graphing* calculators, hasn’t admitted to being wrong about that, despite being disproven by the very first manual you posted 🤣🤣🤣
Nope, lying never feels good
says someone who doesn’t know how to post screenshots
Ok, has to scroll past ads to find it 🙄
Yep, no admission of being wrong about anything in there, so thanks for providing the proof that you never admitted to being wrong about anything 🤣🤣🤣
Let me know if you want any online tutoring about how to take and post screenshots. It’s not hard when you have facts to back you up.
Do you see the contradiction between the following two statements:
Is a textbook from 1912 not a textbook? Does “never” mean something different where you’re from? We’re simply dying to know.
Your exact words were “Maths textbooks never use the word”.
Do you stand by that statement now?
Do you want to admit it was incorrect?
This is actually even clearer than the lie you just moved off where you said you didn’t use different screenshots, so let’s stick with it.
You get the same result if you don’t press the plus button at that point.
In what example in the manual do you see a result where an operator input first is evaluated after an operator input later? There is no such example. The annotated screenshot you keep posting is an example of left-to-right evaluation. You’re just wrongly claiming that pressing the + button for the second time changes the behaviour of the manual.
Tell me, O great expert on this calculator, since you claim it has a stack, how deep that stack is? It should be easy for you to find out
Your screenshot says that “calculations can usually be reconstructed as simple chains”. You’re using that as evidence that the calculator is not a normal calculator. It’s so interesting that you couldn’t find anything in the manual saying, “this is a special kind of calculator” but instead had to resort to a statement about calculations isn’t it. A mystery.
Buddy, “chain calculators” as you call them are exactly the basic, four-function, stackless, cheapo calculators you can buy for three quid. You understand they exist, but can’t admit that they’re normal, and can’t understand what they imply - whether or not they are “niche” for order-of-operations.
Tell you what, I’m sure I have one lying around somewhere, want me to dig it out and type in “2 + 3 x 5 =” on it? Want to make a bet on what it’ll output?
It’s weird that your pettiness goes as far as not taking the W when it’s handed to you, dude.