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Vegeta calls Goku by his deadname.
Yeah. And he was a villain. Even when he stopped being a villain, he was still a huge asshole.
That reminds me of this scene :D https://youtu.be/e59_BRSZZzM?t=227
I don’t really think that’s the same thing
That’s literally why it’s on the Dragonball wiki.
Doesn’t make it correct
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How else would you describe using a person’s birth name when it is no longer the name they go by? Especially if you’re told not to use that one and use the new one?
Goku hit his head and forgot his old name and was given a new name. He didn’t purposefully choose to drop his Saiyan name the way a trans person does, or for the reason a trans person would. Plus I don’t recall him ever telling vegeta not to call him kakarot, but it’s possible it happened once and I don’t remember.
Don’t worry- I’m a Goku scholar, here to chime in.
Unfortunately with a multi-cultural icon such as Goku, you’re going to have a ton of different iterations of his identity based on who is writing him at any given point.
I’ve seen both: versions of Goku that reject his Saiyan name in favor of his Earthling name, and versions of Goku that embrace his Saiyan heritage alongside his Earthling upbringing as two halves of a whole.
That being said: Goku’s name is Goku. It is his identity.
There are plenty of trans people that are unbothered by deadnaming, misgendering, etc.
There are plenty of trans people who make exceptions or give concessions to specific people in their life because it’s easier for them.
There is no reason to treat it differently. If Goku WERE offended to be referred to as “Kakarot”, a name he hypothetically doesn’t accept as part of his identity, then he would be well within his right.
Even as the show progresses, Vegeta starts saying Goku more, demonstrating his growing respect for Goku’s identity as an Earthling. (Nevermind misremembered this part, the rest stands)
Goku doesn’t have the same underlying trauma some trans people have regarding this identity discrepancy and how it makes society react to him. That being said, neither do all trans people.
Your reasoning for why they aren’t the same is very shallow and reveals that you haven’t considered this aspect of the topic deeply enough.
Edit: also I do want to point out that Goku’s embracing of his Saiyan heritage, while always in the background as a story arc, really got a lot more play in recent years, and it seems that he has reached a point (in the Super anime) where he acknowledges that heritage without reservation.
I’d add that considering Vegeta’s point of view; he’s calling him Kakarot as a sign of messed up respect. As he’s really racist and prideful, and views all the other races weaker, him using the name Goku would mean also lowering himself to the level of “lower races” as he’d have to admit sayans can be on the same level as them. Him using Goku more and more would be in effect a sign of him slowly becoming less racist
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Wonder woman and General Zod dead name Clark Kent/Superman
If anyone knows about Transformation it is Sayans
That page sadly got deleted…
Bastards
There’s got to be some grace period right? I’ve seen things where they start taking about someone with the new name immediately and I have no idea who they used to be.
Its just like calling anyone by the wrong name. For a little while after you learn someone’s name its pretty normal to get it wrong, but if you see them often it becomes rude sooner.
I’d consider a reasonable grace period to be about 3 months.
I had a friend say “btw, Sarah is trans and is now a woman”. I’m like “who the hell is Sarah?”. Turned out to be a mutual acquaintance that they had to dead name for me to identify.
“Guess Who”, supportive trans ally edition! It’s wellmeaning but god it can be frustrating. Like please just tell me so I don’t guess wrong and accidentally deadname them to their face.
Idk, I feel like saying “the one that went by Josh before” or “Josh died, long live Sarah” isn’t deadnaming. As in, to tell the other person who you are talking about so they don’t deadname them.
Hey, if it works, it works.
My guess would be:
Because that actual person wrote or extensively maintains that particular wiki page.
