• Deceptichum@quokk.au
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    1 day ago

    UBI perpetuates suffering in periphery states. It’s for privileged core peoples to exploit the suffering of those slaving away overseas to provide their standard of living.

    Capitalism is a zero sum game, for one to gain wealth it must be extracted from another and ultimately that burden falls to the periphery states.

    UBI seeks to prop up late stage capitalism for as long as possible, it is not an ideal worth chasing over the proletariat owning the means of production outright.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      24 hours ago

      Counterpoint: UBI is best used as one preliminary step amongst many on the way to abolishing capitalism.

      It needs price controls in order to work properly. Otherwise the capitalist overlords just make everything more expensive by at least as much, eliminating the benefit completely.

      That being said, having UBI+price control would

      • raise the spending power of 90%+ of people,
      • free dozens of millions from inescapable generational poverty,
      • improve the mental as well as physical health of the population
      • free up time and resources for people to pursue beneficial activities that they’d otherwise never be able to, potentially unlocking brilliant scientists, civil rights advocates, artists and so on that are currently stuck behind the Great Paywall of Capitalism.

      All of this happening WITHOUT the coming of Ragnarok and a Bigmac costing a thousand dollars would be an EXTREMELY effective way to make sure that people not only know but FEEL that the capitalism they’ve been brought up to venerate or at least consider necessary as a lesser evil is in fact not the best or even a good system for anyone except for birth lottery winners, people with a talent for getting away with extreme exploitation and fraud, and especially people who won the birth lottery AND have that despicable talent such as Trump, Musk, and nefarious mastermind Jack McBrayer

    • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 day ago

      Your answer isn’t to get rid of UBI, its to create it while also abolishing publicly traded (and eventually all private) companies, to be replaced with employee owned co-ops.

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      18 hours ago

      Capitalism is a zero sum game, for one to gain wealth it must be extracted from another

      This is just not true. There are plenty of valid criticisms of capitalism, there’s no need to use false statements.

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        18 hours ago

        Its arguably true though. The general wealth the west experiences either comes or came at the expense of the global south. Its also like a main criticism of capitalism. Business owners, ceos, landlords, those with capital, literally generate more wealth at the expense of others.