She was abused for nude modelling and movie roles that sexualized her, including fully nude sex scenes, from age 11 on.
The movies were shown in theatres and on TV. Mainstream magazines published the pictures.
Fucked up times.
Nude scenes/nudity is not a problem. Nudity is completely natural and should be normalised. The problem is in sexualising children, whether they’re nude or not.
It’s important to not conflate the two to avoid reinforcing puritanical views around nudity.
Yes, and it’s literally based on a true story that has happened a hundred times over and the film portrays this as a horrible thing.
Like the story is repellent and horrible because it is supposed to be. This is like a criticism of Schindler’s List because it portrays a genocide.
It’s funny because there is plenty of horrifying and deliberately salacious shit that they did with Shields that would merit more criticism. How about her fully nude appearance in Playboy at ten?
The biggest thing I learned from living in Italy for two years and then marrying a Korean woman a few years after that is that Americans have fucked up views on sexuality and nudity. I came from a pretty liberal secular hippie type family and I was surprised to find I had some residual cultural hang ups just from growing up in the US.
German-American here. I had a stint with organized religion and American purity culture. The church and “purity culture” messed me up pretty good, most notably in the 5 years after my deconversion. Americans love judging people for sex, then cheerfully do all the same things secretly themselves without an ounce of self-awareness. I still can’t decide if I have an irrationally strong fear of STDs brought about by American sex-ed, or of it’s a rational response to the fact that everyone is going around fucking without protection, many without a basic anotomical understanding of their own body. I wish we could get people to take safety seriously because we’re all connected in a giant fucking web.
What stood out the most to you about Americans sexual hang-ups?
I’m from Poland and didn’t think about it until I found that in the first part of The Witcher games, the game that is directed to adults, they had to develop a special versions for the USA. The version included full violence with decapitations and gore, but showing a woman’s nipple was too far so they had to censor it.
No you’re right, and part of the problem in the US is our absolutely batshit, contradictory social conditioning around sex, nudity and the body.
We are utterly archaic in social attitudes here. We had a full-on national crisis when everyone saw a nipple at the super-bowl one time. Yet we sexualize anything remotely female and young to a sickening degree.
This kind of weird paradoxical attitude designed to make you feel shame and desire together has completely ruined any chance of healthy attitudes around sex for millions of young boys who grew up in this media landscape, and had no idea how to deal with it and fell down the incel pipeline, and millions of young girls who only see a world of predation and those angry incels and want nothing to do with dating or boys, driving the wedge further and further, a whole generation of people hating and fearing each other grew up and are now running the entire country.
This utterly baffling societal attitude has empowered people like Epstein and his affiliates since way back, and made it a lot easier for people to commit sex crimes, particularly against children. 🙈 🙉 🙊
I’m very body positive and pro nudity for an American who grew up Catholic, but moving to Germany unleashed similar hangups for me.
Fun story: the first time I used the communal shower at the pool naked (like everyone else here), a child pointed at my nipple piercing and loudly asked “mommy, what’s that on her nipple,” so everyone turned to stare at my tits. I was doubly overwhelmed, because it was the first time I’d heard the vernacular term for a nipple in German: “Brustwarze,” which literally translates to “breast wart,” which is fucking horrendous.
If it weren’t for the fact that I remember that every time I encounter the word “Brustwarze,” I think I’d have blocked it out.
I would argue that while nudity at home should not be an issue, the nature of the film industry means that even if the nudity is presented in a naturalistic fashion, the fact it is on film makes it exploitative.
Imagine being 10-12 years old, naked, and surrounded by adults (mostly men,) some of whom are more or less ordering you around. I can’t imagine a way to make that anything other than deeply distressing for a child.
Pretty Baby is a 1978 film where she portrays a child prostitute. There’s a scene where her virginity is auctioned off and a main plot point is that a grown man falls in love with her and wants to marry her. I watched it as a young teen (~12) and I was horrified.
To be clear, the film treats this as the atrocity that it is and is based on a true story.
You probably wouldn’t describe this relationship as “falling in love” if you saw it as an adult. Nothing about this relationship is portrayed as healthy.
She was abused for nude modelling and movie roles that sexualized her, including fully nude sex scenes, from age 11 on.
The movies were shown in theatres and on TV. Mainstream magazines published the pictures.
Fucked up times.
Nude scenes/nudity is not a problem. Nudity is completely natural and should be normalised. The problem is in sexualising children, whether they’re nude or not.
It’s important to not conflate the two to avoid reinforcing puritanical views around nudity.
Your take is delusional. No video material or images of naked underaged people. Period.
I hope you revisit your statement in a few years.
While I agree with your point, she played a child prostitute whose virginity was sold to the highest bidder.
Yes, and it’s literally based on a true story that has happened a hundred times over and the film portrays this as a horrible thing.
Like the story is repellent and horrible because it is supposed to be. This is like a criticism of Schindler’s List because it portrays a genocide.
It’s funny because there is plenty of horrifying and deliberately salacious shit that they did with Shields that would merit more criticism. How about her fully nude appearance in Playboy at ten?
I can’t imagine volunteering my child to take that role personally. They don’t have the maturity to understand the subject matter
Her mom was a horrible person.
Clearly
It’s like criticizing an article about Schindler’s List with the bolded caption “Find out how many kikes can fit in an oven”.
The quote directly below a photo of her and Woody Allen is more than I needed to see, thanks.
The biggest thing I learned from living in Italy for two years and then marrying a Korean woman a few years after that is that Americans have fucked up views on sexuality and nudity. I came from a pretty liberal secular hippie type family and I was surprised to find I had some residual cultural hang ups just from growing up in the US.
German-American here. I had a stint with organized religion and American purity culture. The church and “purity culture” messed me up pretty good, most notably in the 5 years after my deconversion. Americans love judging people for sex, then cheerfully do all the same things secretly themselves without an ounce of self-awareness. I still can’t decide if I have an irrationally strong fear of STDs brought about by American sex-ed, or of it’s a rational response to the fact that everyone is going around fucking without protection, many without a basic anotomical understanding of their own body. I wish we could get people to take safety seriously because we’re all connected in a giant fucking web.
What stood out the most to you about Americans sexual hang-ups?
I’m from Poland and didn’t think about it until I found that in the first part of The Witcher games, the game that is directed to adults, they had to develop a special versions for the USA. The version included full violence with decapitations and gore, but showing a woman’s nipple was too far so they had to censor it.
No you’re right, and part of the problem in the US is our absolutely batshit, contradictory social conditioning around sex, nudity and the body.
We are utterly archaic in social attitudes here. We had a full-on national crisis when everyone saw a nipple at the super-bowl one time. Yet we sexualize anything remotely female and young to a sickening degree.
This kind of weird paradoxical attitude designed to make you feel shame and desire together has completely ruined any chance of healthy attitudes around sex for millions of young boys who grew up in this media landscape, and had no idea how to deal with it and fell down the incel pipeline, and millions of young girls who only see a world of predation and those angry incels and want nothing to do with dating or boys, driving the wedge further and further, a whole generation of people hating and fearing each other grew up and are now running the entire country.
This utterly baffling societal attitude has empowered people like Epstein and his affiliates since way back, and made it a lot easier for people to commit sex crimes, particularly against children. 🙈 🙉 🙊
I’m very body positive and pro nudity for an American who grew up Catholic, but moving to Germany unleashed similar hangups for me.
Fun story: the first time I used the communal shower at the pool naked (like everyone else here), a child pointed at my nipple piercing and loudly asked “mommy, what’s that on her nipple,” so everyone turned to stare at my tits. I was doubly overwhelmed, because it was the first time I’d heard the vernacular term for a nipple in German: “Brustwarze,” which literally translates to “breast wart,” which is fucking horrendous.
If it weren’t for the fact that I remember that every time I encounter the word “Brustwarze,” I think I’d have blocked it out.
And it’s little things like that which cause German to be known as the language of love.
Not as funny as handschuh (hand shoe, German for glove)
I would argue that while nudity at home should not be an issue, the nature of the film industry means that even if the nudity is presented in a naturalistic fashion, the fact it is on film makes it exploitative.
Imagine being 10-12 years old, naked, and surrounded by adults (mostly men,) some of whom are more or less ordering you around. I can’t imagine a way to make that anything other than deeply distressing for a child.
It’s also possible to safely take Adderall. The problem is when people who shouldn’t have it get ahold of it. And that’s why it’s restricted.
I dunno. People are actively siding with pedophiles now so Im not sure we changed much.
As a teen I remember seeing blue lagoon on cinemax. Now that I’m in my mid 40s I realize blue lagoon is literal child porn
Pretty Baby is a 1978 film where she portrays a child prostitute. There’s a scene where her virginity is auctioned off and a main plot point is that a grown man falls in love with her and wants to marry her. I watched it as a young teen (~12) and I was horrified.
To be clear, the film treats this as the atrocity that it is and is based on a true story.
You probably wouldn’t describe this relationship as “falling in love” if you saw it as an adult. Nothing about this relationship is portrayed as healthy.