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    18 hours ago

    Falsifiability? Prove that matter exists before consciousness.

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        17 hours ago

        The argument isn’t if rocks have individual consciousness.

        The fact is that rocks exist inside consciousness.

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          17 hours ago

          Universe-is-a-brain theory, got it.

          Trouble is the burden of proof lies with you on that.

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              17 hours ago

              No that’s not how science works, there is no evidence that consciousness existed before matter whereas there is plenty that matter existed before consciousness. Your extraordinary claim that it does requires evidence which you haven’t provided.

              If you were to provide anything tangible to go on rather than reiterating your point I might consider it further. If not it’s actually yourself pursuing unfounded idealist theories.

              It’s not novel to me, I’ve heard other spiritualists spout similar nonsense many times before.

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                17 hours ago

                “plenty that matter existed before consciousness”

                Prove it. Prove that anything exists outside consciousness right now, that isn’t just an appearance inside consciousness.

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                  16 hours ago

                  “Prove it”

                  That’s not how science works either. Nothing is 100% proved but we have enough evidence to suggest it is way more likely than your theory:

                  1. ​There is a massive gap between the origin of the universe and the arrival of anything with a nervous system.
                  2. Drugs alter consciousness, as does brain damage. If consciousness was independent of matter this wouldn’t be the case.
                  3. If consciousness existed first and could somehow create matter it would violate the Law of Conservation.

                  You could speculate about anything but without evidence you’re just making up your own form of religion mixed with solipsism.

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                    16 hours ago

                    Everything you’re describing is something that appeared in consciousness and was then put to words, which are not reality, just symbols pointing to an experience inside consciousness.

                    You’re doing the science sounding equivalent of the Christian “god is real, says so in the bible, and bible was written by god, therefore it’s true”.

                    Also your education is not too good on the matter if you think I’m saying anything new. This philosophical stance has been around for centuries. I’ve already pointed to idealism.