For the threat models and data harvesting the general consumer (i.e. our moms) will face, MacOS does a far better job than Windows and iOS far better than Android (and no, your mom isn’t actually using a pixel with Graphene. Maybe she could, but she isn’t. Not really.)
If Apple can’t satisfy your threat model and privacy posturing, fine. But don’t assume everyone’s requirements are the same as yours, that’s how we scare people away.
For the threat models and data harvesting the general consumer (i.e. our moms) will face
If your mom is going to install facebook, X and instagram to post all personal details and photos away along with all the permissions app requests. I don’t think it matters?
Are you talking about security? What else is Android secretly supplying these apps?
Let’s stop perfect getting in the way of better.
“Let’s just giveaway more leeway for corporations, so we can get more accustomed to losing our rights, until we have to jump off the cliff for the lesser evil”
Apple fanboys were proud they had no ads, Apple put on ads. They said they fight the government, they work with authoritarian governments around the world. They said they care about user privacy, they were funneling notifications to directly to the US government.
Yea, keep defending these knucklefucks, they’re totally not trying to manufacture consent for global surveillance while you’re given the illusion of “lesser evil” and losing ownership of devices you bought.
Look - I can’t prevent my mom from being on facebook and playing candy crush. Nothing I say or do will make that happen. I can improve the situation by:
Introducing alternatives and hope they spread (Chat with your mom on Signal)
Reducing data harvesting during ”passive” behaviour (e.g. reduced permissions for apps. Graphene is probably the best here, but good luck getting your mom on that)
Reducing data harvesting by the phone vendor (Samsung, Google, Apple). This is primarily done by buying an iPhone, simply due to incentives. (Again, good luck getting your mom on Graphene).
If I go too hard on my mom, she’ll just buy herself a cheap chinese android without telling me. Is that better?
That’s from 5 years ago. Let’s look what Apple themselves say about that topic:
Personal Data Apple Collects from You
Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data
this is HIGHLY misleading. The page you linked is for Apple’s global/web properties (hence “within our services”); device-level settings govern app and OS telemetry separately. You can opt out of telemetry on apple devices you own.
Macs do not respect your privacy. In comparison to windows it’s better but they still log and send every application you open to Apple.
Let’s stop perfect getting in the way of better.
For the threat models and data harvesting the general consumer (i.e. our moms) will face, MacOS does a far better job than Windows and iOS far better than Android (and no, your mom isn’t actually using a pixel with Graphene. Maybe she could, but she isn’t. Not really.)
If Apple can’t satisfy your threat model and privacy posturing, fine. But don’t assume everyone’s requirements are the same as yours, that’s how we scare people away.
If your mom is going to install facebook, X and instagram to post all personal details and photos away along with all the permissions app requests. I don’t think it matters?
Are you talking about security? What else is Android secretly supplying these apps?
“Let’s just giveaway more leeway for corporations, so we can get more accustomed to losing our rights, until we have to jump off the cliff for the lesser evil”
Apple fanboys were proud they had no ads, Apple put on ads. They said they fight the government, they work with authoritarian governments around the world. They said they care about user privacy, they were funneling notifications to directly to the US government.
Yea, keep defending these knucklefucks, they’re totally not trying to manufacture consent for global surveillance while you’re given the illusion of “lesser evil” and losing ownership of devices you bought.
Downvote away, cult.
Look - I can’t prevent my mom from being on facebook and playing candy crush. Nothing I say or do will make that happen. I can improve the situation by:
If I go too hard on my mom, she’ll just buy herself a cheap chinese android without telling me. Is that better?
It doesn’t seem much worse to me. As long as she doesn’t have too many ad-ridden spyware apps.
That claim seems like it’d be trivial to fact check, and indeed does seem to be false.
I am not ever trusting a proprietary OS, specially when it has been actively advertised as “caring about your privacy”
It is the advertising of any market differentiator or specifically when it’s for security.
That’s from 5 years ago. Let’s look what Apple themselves say about that topic:
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
this is HIGHLY misleading. The page you linked is for Apple’s global/web properties (hence “within our services”); device-level settings govern app and OS telemetry separately. You can opt out of telemetry on apple devices you own.
Which apps are launched from their website?
Only if you decide to send that telemetry, which is prompted to you clearly and unambiguously.