The Rise of Skywalker - it’s a big dumb action movie, with some silly plot holes, but I’ve never understood the degree to which people hate it (or profess to).
I thought it was great fun, and such a return to form after Last Jedi. Yes, some of the lines make your eyes roll (“somehow Palpatine returned,” in particular) but for me it recaptured the high energy, almost innocent, tone of the OT and TFA. No horribly out of place modern cynicism, no lightsaber tossing, no “can you hear me now” jokes.
And I thought the scene with Kylo Ren and Han was genuinely excellent, a really satisfying emotional payoff.
TRoS is the most disappointing thing since my son.
Jokes aside, for me it has 0 rewatch appeal. It’s big and loud and dumb, but it’s not dumb in a fun way. Not even for casual SW fans. There are so many plot holes, and aborted character arcs, that my suspension of disbelief was arrested repeatedly.
I’m an old fan. Not “Ewoks are bad” old, more “Ewoks were included for my demographic” old. I’ve read, and watched, some really dumb Star Wars media. I loved it all. Even the MOD Squad in Book of Boba Fett, as tone deaf as they were, were also fun. It was like a dad joke in the middle of an action movie. Or Leia getting all horned up by Prince Xizor in Shadows of the Empire. (Okay, admittedly, 17 year old me had no problem reading that). It’s always been big and dumb, with plot holes that have to be explained by comics, books, and cartoons later. I was in my twenties for the prequels, and I never jumped on the hate bandwagon. My only real issue was Anakin spewing horny word vomit at Padme while she wore BDSM gear and told him she couldn’t lay pipe because she’s a senator. I still skip the Naboo scenes on rewatch.
I think, for those of us that loath Rise of Skywalker, it comes down to payoff. Return of the Jedi had teddy bears that could capture the best infiltration team the Rebellion had, yes. But it had major payoff too. Han and Leia, Darth Vader’s redemption, the defeat of the Emperor. Revenge of the Sith likewise had big payoff. How Luke and Leia were adopted, Darth Vader becoming more machine than man, Order 66, a 45 minute lightsaber fight over god-damned lava. The story-telling in the movies has degraded with each trilogy, mostly in the exposition department. The OT was best at “show, don’t tell”. All of that aside, TRoS didn’t payoff in a way equal to it’s failings. So the suspension of disbelief has no justifiable reward and is lost. Once that happens, instead of making excuses for plot holes, the movie is watched with a critical eye. And under a critical eye, it’s not a good story. I already have the MCU and all of the Boomer action movies if I want big and dumb. With Star Wars, I also want emotional payoff. I didn’t get it. Not enough to justify the Dumb
I don’t hate Rise of Skywalker. I don’t waste energy hating. It’s just dead to me. Disney stopped making SW trilogies, leaving a massive cliffhanger with Episode 8. Episode 9 doesn’t exist. Just like M. Night’s Avatar
That’s fair enough. Everyone likes different things I guess. All I can say is that when I came out of the cinema having seen TLJ, I was utterly disappointed. When I came out of seeing TRoS, I was bouncing like a kid on Christmas, it made me happy.
For some reason I just really enjoy it, whereas I hated TLJ and all the prequels. Others disagree, that’s cool too :-)
The Rise of Skywalker - it’s a big dumb action movie, with some silly plot holes, but I’ve never understood the degree to which people hate it (or profess to).
I thought it was great fun, and such a return to form after Last Jedi. Yes, some of the lines make your eyes roll (“somehow Palpatine returned,” in particular) but for me it recaptured the high energy, almost innocent, tone of the OT and TFA. No horribly out of place modern cynicism, no lightsaber tossing, no “can you hear me now” jokes.
And I thought the scene with Kylo Ren and Han was genuinely excellent, a really satisfying emotional payoff.
Now that’s an unpopular opinion for sure
Apparently so!
TRoS is the most disappointing thing since my son.
Jokes aside, for me it has 0 rewatch appeal. It’s big and loud and dumb, but it’s not dumb in a fun way. Not even for casual SW fans. There are so many plot holes, and aborted character arcs, that my suspension of disbelief was arrested repeatedly.
I’m an old fan. Not “Ewoks are bad” old, more “Ewoks were included for my demographic” old. I’ve read, and watched, some really dumb Star Wars media. I loved it all. Even the MOD Squad in Book of Boba Fett, as tone deaf as they were, were also fun. It was like a dad joke in the middle of an action movie. Or Leia getting all horned up by Prince Xizor in Shadows of the Empire. (Okay, admittedly, 17 year old me had no problem reading that). It’s always been big and dumb, with plot holes that have to be explained by comics, books, and cartoons later. I was in my twenties for the prequels, and I never jumped on the hate bandwagon. My only real issue was Anakin spewing horny word vomit at Padme while she wore BDSM gear and told him she couldn’t lay pipe because she’s a senator. I still skip the Naboo scenes on rewatch.
I think, for those of us that loath Rise of Skywalker, it comes down to payoff. Return of the Jedi had teddy bears that could capture the best infiltration team the Rebellion had, yes. But it had major payoff too. Han and Leia, Darth Vader’s redemption, the defeat of the Emperor. Revenge of the Sith likewise had big payoff. How Luke and Leia were adopted, Darth Vader becoming more machine than man, Order 66, a 45 minute lightsaber fight over god-damned lava. The story-telling in the movies has degraded with each trilogy, mostly in the exposition department. The OT was best at “show, don’t tell”. All of that aside, TRoS didn’t payoff in a way equal to it’s failings. So the suspension of disbelief has no justifiable reward and is lost. Once that happens, instead of making excuses for plot holes, the movie is watched with a critical eye. And under a critical eye, it’s not a good story. I already have the MCU and all of the Boomer action movies if I want big and dumb. With Star Wars, I also want emotional payoff. I didn’t get it. Not enough to justify the Dumb
I don’t hate Rise of Skywalker. I don’t waste energy hating. It’s just dead to me. Disney stopped making SW trilogies, leaving a massive cliffhanger with Episode 8. Episode 9 doesn’t exist. Just like M. Night’s Avatar
That’s fair enough. Everyone likes different things I guess. All I can say is that when I came out of the cinema having seen TLJ, I was utterly disappointed. When I came out of seeing TRoS, I was bouncing like a kid on Christmas, it made me happy.
For some reason I just really enjoy it, whereas I hated TLJ and all the prequels. Others disagree, that’s cool too :-)
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