Steam allows the exact same thing FYI, they just don’t see the need to needlessly promote it to get sales.
Edit I guess people can’t realize this is specifically about drm-free games….
Of course games with drm can’t be downloaded, gog just doesn’t offer these games, so it’s not an issue there. Yet. If the game is drm free on GoG, it’s also available on Steam, and can be run offline with no checks. IE, Steam offers the exact same thing.
Can you please elaborate on and define what DRM is “allowed” on GOG? From my most recent understanding, you can still play offline and don’t need to use the GOG launcher or some other launcher that requires an Internet connection.
I get and respect that people have different places where they draw lines. But to me, it doesn’t seem like they are abandoning the concept of DRM free in any real way. The majority of these have small bits of extra content, often cosmetic, like twitch drops that need the software to be online to redeem/verify.
For the few games on that list that are actually unplayable or crippled in some way, I am disappointed. For additional free or giveaway content from the developer that is part of the original package distributed through GOG, I’m much more understanding of GOG if the developer failed to accommodate offline verification/unlocking of that content.
Agreed, but an important thing to note is that list of games is smaller than a couple years ago, and I believe many of the ones that were removed because the DRM was removed are listed at the end. A couple of those were just mistaken releases, but several were allowed on GOG by CDPR with DRM fully intact, most notably Hitman 1 with an always-online requirement, and several others had DRM fully intact and were removed only when enough people complained. My point isn’t and never was “GOG is bad too, actually”; GOG remains the first place I look when I’m looking for a game, and I install it with the offline installer, which gets archived on the NAS once I’ve established it works and I reinstall the game with Galaxy because cloud saves and auto updates are convenient. My point was that, while ABSOLUTELY a rarer occurence than on Steam, GOG officially DOES allow DRM for single player games, and it’s only vigilant complaints that keep that list small
Steam’s primary function since day 1 is literally DRM, you have no clue what you are talking about. Steam offers features like offline play but there’s console-like caveats there forcing periodic logins and launcher usage.
yes there are drm-free games on steam. this does not disprove their point. steam’s first role was as drm for half life 2. steam stops working if you don’t log in periodically.
If you’re buying a game on GoG, it’s because it’s drm free. Which means it’s also drm free on Steam. So anyone looking at those games, would understand the context that we’re talking about the same type of games.
FIFA isn’t available of GoG, so of course we wouldn’t be talking about the same thing on Steam. You’re making massive assumptions dude. The talk has always been about drm free games, no one changed the topic.
untrue. some people may have assumed the talk has always been about drm free games, but the thread’s contents do not support that. besides, some games have drm on steam but not on gog. factorio is a prime example.
The threads content…? The ones that are ONLY about drm free games? Except yours alone?
You fucked up and are directing it, most other people get it, but now you double down, that won’t make it worse lol. Your provided false information, lied, provide no proof of your claims. I’m done now, you aren’t even discussing in good faith, and I’ve been patient and provided my sources to back my claims up. You can’t even be arsed to do the same.
huh? that’s not even what gog sells itself on. gog offers offline installers. steam takes care of installation itself. you can’t download a game from steam, put it on a usb drive, give it to someone else, and have confidence that they will be able to run it.
Installers deal with more than just unpacking files into a folder. There are often prerequisite shared libraries that are included in the installer that AREN’T in the game directory, which may or may not need to be installed along with the game depending on if your system already has it.
So just double-clicking the .exe after copying the folder to a new computer is not reliable in the same way GOG’s installers are.
And we’re talking about drm free games, which GoG only provides, which means it’s also drm free on Steam…. Steam provides OTHER games that of course have drm.
Of course Steam has its own drm, I never said they didn’t. The picture also talks about this as well… did you not read it?
Oh man I feel for you, you are really patient. These guys will never engage with your argument because apparently “there are multiple types of games on Steam” is too much nuance to process…
we are not. you are. the starter of this comment chain noted that gog guarantees, as part of their offer, that the games you download are drm-free. steam does not. your reply to that said nothing about drm, leading us all to the conclusion that you were saying “you can download files for games on steam just like you can on gog”, rather than what you were apparently saying, which was that “for the games on steam that do not have drm you can download files just like you can with all games on gog”.
The point is that you get games on GoG without DRM when buying the same game on steam may have DRM. Just because some games on steam don’t have it doesn’t change this behavior.
Years ago the was an option called something like download offline backup, I haven’t used steam in a long time so maybe it still possible. I didn’t like it back then because I still needed steam to install it, that means that I still need to log in at least once to be allowed to install the game.
Some steam games might still have the steampi and steamworks dll’s, so that’s still 2 bits that need to be deleted before they’re effectively identical.
Having the installers can be important, not every game may work out of the box if you only copy the installed folder to a different machine, some important configurations that are set up in different folders, like in %appdata%, might be missing. Steam checks if DirectX and the proper MSVC versions are installed, I suppose the GOG installers do that as well.
GOG lets you download installers for all your games that you can back up somewhere so that you can install and run their DRM free games without GOG or even an internet connection. It’s like back when games came on cd/dvd.
Steam is DRM so in most cases you can’t launch any of your games without the Steam client. Steam does sell some games that are DRM free on Steam, but you still need the Steam client to install them.
So the difference here is that you can use GOG to build your own library of DRM free games that don’t need GOG at all. if GOG ceased to exist, you can still install and play all your games on any device you want.
If Steam ceased to exist, you’d have no way to install your games on any device so you’d only be able to play the games you currently have installed, and only if they’re DRM Free.
Sure. Where is the game installer you can download or the installed game you can download, disconnect from the internet, close steam, and run/install the game?
Which is the entirety of the game, they also had that on their many itemmed rant. So why would you need an installer, when you have the entire game anyways?
We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a ‘license’) to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.
You have the personal right to use GOG content and services. This right can be suspended or stopped by us in some situations.
“GOG services” and “GOG content” are things like the GOG website itself, not the copies of the games you buy from it.
GOG suspending your right to use their service is analogous to a brick-and-mortar store trespassing and blacklisting you: in the same way that getting trespassed from GameStop doesn’t entitle them to break into your house and confiscate everything you’ve previously purchased from them, getting kicked off GOG does not and legally cannot invalidate your ownership – not “licensing,” ownership – of the games you’ve previously purchased from them.
1.3 Also, when we’re talking about games, in-game content, virtual items or currency or GOG videos or other content or services which you can purchase or access via GOG services, we’ll just call them “GOG games” or “GOG videos” respectively and when we talk about them all together they are “GOG content”.
This isn’t quite right. You do not own the game, you are purchasing a non-transferable license, bound to you:
2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a ‘license’) to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use.
3.3 Your GOG account and GOG content are personal to you and cannot be shared with, sold, gifted or transferred to anyone else.
It’s simply a boon that they entitle you to download DRM-free binaries but technically, if that license is revoked by GOG, you are not legally entitled to use or store that binary anymore. Practically, however, is a different story.
You’re right that they aren’t for different things, but neither mean that you don’t own the game. Both are referring to your continued permission to access your GOG account itself.
Steam allows the exact same thing FYI, they just don’t see the need to needlessly promote it to get sales.
Edit I guess people can’t realize this is specifically about drm-free games….
Of course games with drm can’t be downloaded, gog just doesn’t offer these games, so it’s not an issue there. Yet. If the game is drm free on GoG, it’s also available on Steam, and can be run offline with no checks. IE, Steam offers the exact same thing.
Steam allows DRM and even offers its own. You also can’t download anything without the launcher, even if the game is DRM-free.
GOG also allows DRM, it’s just not as common
Can you please elaborate on and define what DRM is “allowed” on GOG? From my most recent understanding, you can still play offline and don’t need to use the GOG launcher or some other launcher that requires an Internet connection.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1 The list is still maintained
I get and respect that people have different places where they draw lines. But to me, it doesn’t seem like they are abandoning the concept of DRM free in any real way. The majority of these have small bits of extra content, often cosmetic, like twitch drops that need the software to be online to redeem/verify.
For the few games on that list that are actually unplayable or crippled in some way, I am disappointed. For additional free or giveaway content from the developer that is part of the original package distributed through GOG, I’m much more understanding of GOG if the developer failed to accommodate offline verification/unlocking of that content.
Agreed, but an important thing to note is that list of games is smaller than a couple years ago, and I believe many of the ones that were removed because the DRM was removed are listed at the end. A couple of those were just mistaken releases, but several were allowed on GOG by CDPR with DRM fully intact, most notably Hitman 1 with an always-online requirement, and several others had DRM fully intact and were removed only when enough people complained. My point isn’t and never was “GOG is bad too, actually”; GOG remains the first place I look when I’m looking for a game, and I install it with the offline installer, which gets archived on the NAS once I’ve established it works and I reinstall the game with Galaxy because cloud saves and auto updates are convenient. My point was that, while ABSOLUTELY a rarer occurence than on Steam, GOG officially DOES allow DRM for single player games, and it’s only vigilant complaints that keep that list small
You can download and then copy games with steam, that is the choice of the developer.
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I know that those exist. So enlighten me, how do I download them without the launcher?
The developer has a link sometimes, or otherwise any other mirror or torrent can work as well.
I little leg work isn’t gonna kill you ;)
Steam’s primary function since day 1 is literally DRM, you have no clue what you are talking about. Steam offers features like offline play but there’s console-like caveats there forcing periodic logins and launcher usage.
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yes there are drm-free games on steam. this does not disprove their point. steam’s first role was as drm for half life 2. steam stops working if you don’t log in periodically.
And if you download a drm free game it doesn’t need to sync to Steam. You’re providing false information. The link specifies this.
Why are you claiming it does? Where did you get this information?
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If you’re buying a game on GoG, it’s because it’s drm free. Which means it’s also drm free on Steam. So anyone looking at those games, would understand the context that we’re talking about the same type of games.
FIFA isn’t available of GoG, so of course we wouldn’t be talking about the same thing on Steam. You’re making massive assumptions dude. The talk has always been about drm free games, no one changed the topic.
untrue. some people may have assumed the talk has always been about drm free games, but the thread’s contents do not support that. besides, some games have drm on steam but not on gog. factorio is a prime example.
The threads content…? The ones that are ONLY about drm free games? Except yours alone?
You fucked up and are directing it, most other people get it, but now you double down, that won’t make it worse lol. Your provided false information, lied, provide no proof of your claims. I’m done now, you aren’t even discussing in good faith, and I’ve been patient and provided my sources to back my claims up. You can’t even be arsed to do the same.
oh? how?
The exact same way as gog, download the files to your pc.
huh? that’s not even what gog sells itself on. gog offers offline installers. steam takes care of installation itself. you can’t download a game from steam, put it on a usb drive, give it to someone else, and have confidence that they will be able to run it.
That’s not true at all…
Where are you getting your information from?
Why do you need an installer when the files are its own folder?
Installers deal with more than just unpacking files into a folder. There are often prerequisite shared libraries that are included in the installer that AREN’T in the game directory, which may or may not need to be installed along with the game depending on if your system already has it.
So just double-clicking the .exe after copying the folder to a new computer is not reliable in the same way GOG’s installers are.
steam. note that i said “a game”, not “a drm-free game”.
And we’re talking about drm free games, which GoG only provides, which means it’s also drm free on Steam…. Steam provides OTHER games that of course have drm.
Of course Steam has its own drm, I never said they didn’t. The picture also talks about this as well… did you not read it?
Oh man I feel for you, you are really patient. These guys will never engage with your argument because apparently “there are multiple types of games on Steam” is too much nuance to process…
we are not. you are. the starter of this comment chain noted that gog guarantees, as part of their offer, that the games you download are drm-free. steam does not. your reply to that said nothing about drm, leading us all to the conclusion that you were saying “you can download files for games on steam just like you can on gog”, rather than what you were apparently saying, which was that “for the games on steam that do not have drm you can download files just like you can with all games on gog”.
The point is that you get games on GoG without DRM when buying the same game on steam may have DRM. Just because some games on steam don’t have it doesn’t change this behavior.
Actually, if it’s drm free on gog, it is on steam too, its developer choice.
Years ago the was an option called something like download offline backup, I haven’t used steam in a long time so maybe it still possible. I didn’t like it back then because I still needed steam to install it, that means that I still need to log in at least once to be allowed to install the game.
yeah those files were encrypted in some way that required the steam client to unlock, if i recall.
You can only download steam games from the steam app. You can download gog games from the site, without using their galaxy app
That is a fair distinction, but once it’s downloaded and installed they are effectively identical.
Some steam games might still have the steampi and steamworks dll’s, so that’s still 2 bits that need to be deleted before they’re effectively identical.
Having the installers can be important, not every game may work out of the box if you only copy the installed folder to a different machine, some important configurations that are set up in different folders, like in
%appdata%, might be missing. Steam checks if DirectX and the proper MSVC versions are installed, I suppose the GOG installers do that as well.According to the websites, you’re able to move it, and it provides those instructions on how to deal with those minor issues.
So in the end, following dev instructions, they will be the same in the end.
Edit Like so
GOG lets you download installers for all your games that you can back up somewhere so that you can install and run their DRM free games without GOG or even an internet connection. It’s like back when games came on cd/dvd.
Steam is DRM so in most cases you can’t launch any of your games without the Steam client. Steam does sell some games that are DRM free on Steam, but you still need the Steam client to install them.
So the difference here is that you can use GOG to build your own library of DRM free games that don’t need GOG at all. if GOG ceased to exist, you can still install and play all your games on any device you want.
If Steam ceased to exist, you’d have no way to install your games on any device so you’d only be able to play the games you currently have installed, and only if they’re DRM Free.
Sure. Where is the game installer you can download or the installed game you can download, disconnect from the internet, close steam, and run/install the game?
You could just go down the thread to see the links….
DRM free games are movable, that fits your rant yeah?
The installed files are not an installer. What you’re referencing is moving the preexisting program files of a game
Which is the entirety of the game, they also had that on their many itemmed rant. So why would you need an installer, when you have the entire game anyways?
Steam states in their EULA that your purchase a license to play the game but not own it
So does GOG dude…
where
Their Eula….?
their eula does not state that you do not own the games.
Section 2.1:
“GOG services” and “GOG content” are things like the GOG website itself, not the copies of the games you buy from it.
GOG suspending your right to use their service is analogous to a brick-and-mortar store trespassing and blacklisting you: in the same way that getting trespassed from GameStop doesn’t entitle them to break into your house and confiscate everything you’ve previously purchased from them, getting kicked off GOG does not and legally cannot invalidate your ownership – not “licensing,” ownership – of the games you’ve previously purchased from them.
What part of “license” is so hard for you to comprehend?
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points two and three are for different things.
No they aren’t. Both mean that you don’t own the game.
You’re right that they aren’t for different things, but neither mean that you don’t own the game. Both are referring to your continued permission to access your GOG account itself.
Since when is a license owning the game?
It’s right there, unless you make up new terms or ignore the established legal terms.
They don’t offer games to buy, only licenses, so how can you ever own the game…?
lol no they aren’t.
EULAs are bunk. Quit buying the lies of copyright cartel shysters.