Like… if you really want Bernie to be president but also really hates the far right candidate…, do you appove of… um… Biden or no?
Okay say you got 55 Democrats and 45 Republican
Assuming all republicans are all behind one candidate
You have 30 dems in favor of Biden; 25 in favor of Bernie
Election day:
Bernie: 53 approvals, 28 approvals from Biden voters
Biden: 52 approvals, 22 approvals from bernie voters
GOP Candidate: 45 approvals
Somewhere two Biden voter who approved Bernie is gonna be like “man, if we just disapproved Bernie, Biden would’ve won!”
so then next election
Bernie: 51 approval
Biden: 52 approval
This cycle continues till eventually GOP Candidate gets elected…
So its a matter of if the Left Progressive or the Corporate Dems chicken out first, and meanwhile the GOP Candidate is gonna win while you fight each other…
But we’re talking here not about single-occioant positions like president or premier or prime minister, but about proportional representation, which only makes sense in the context of multi-seat positions like city council or legislatures.
strategic voting is impossible to avoid, so it doesn’t really matter and shouldn’t be a consideration.
This cycle continues till eventually GOP Candidate gets elected
This is a big leap from just saying that some strategic voting will occur. I don’t think you’ve demonstrated this in your example.
This example also still assumes 2 parties. Part of election reform would be to destroy the barriers preventing 3rd parties from running and gaining seats through proportional representation
Ultimately, I want the political apparatus to be destroyed and replaced by an anarchist society. This is the best of the worst in my eyes.
I was a big proponent of approval voting for over a decade, and I still would prefer it over most systems. But I really like STAR voting now as well, and have actually used it in the home to pick what to watch on movie nights. STV seems pretty decent too.
STAR has the same problem, if you like an underdog candidate its mathematically best to rank only them so your other choices don’t end up overtaking your prefered choice. That doesn’t happen in RCV until your preferred choice has alrrady lost. Both STAR and Approval are far far more gameable than STV
I guess. I think with any single winner system you’ll encounter gamesmanship, and enough proportional representation can smooth a lot of that over anyway
I’m a fan of approval voting
I disapprove.
This leads to strategic voting…
Like… if you really want Bernie to be president but also really hates the far right candidate…, do you appove of… um… Biden or no?
Okay say you got 55 Democrats and 45 Republican
Assuming all republicans are all behind one candidate
You have 30 dems in favor of Biden; 25 in favor of Bernie
Election day:
Bernie: 53 approvals, 28 approvals from Biden voters
Biden: 52 approvals, 22 approvals from bernie voters
GOP Candidate: 45 approvals
Somewhere two Biden voter who approved Bernie is gonna be like “man, if we just disapproved Bernie, Biden would’ve won!”
so then next election
Bernie: 51 approval
Biden: 52 approval
This cycle continues till eventually GOP Candidate gets elected…
So its a matter of if the Left Progressive or the Corporate Dems chicken out first, and meanwhile the GOP Candidate is gonna win while you fight each other…
But we’re talking here not about single-occioant positions like president or premier or prime minister, but about proportional representation, which only makes sense in the context of multi-seat positions like city council or legislatures.
nvm my brain is scrambled from depression and brain.exe has crashed
strategic voting is impossible to avoid, so it doesn’t really matter and shouldn’t be a consideration.
This is a big leap from just saying that some strategic voting will occur. I don’t think you’ve demonstrated this in your example.
This example also still assumes 2 parties. Part of election reform would be to destroy the barriers preventing 3rd parties from running and gaining seats through proportional representation
Ultimately, I want the political apparatus to be destroyed and replaced by an anarchist society. This is the best of the worst in my eyes.
I was a big proponent of approval voting for over a decade, and I still would prefer it over most systems. But I really like STAR voting now as well, and have actually used it in the home to pick what to watch on movie nights. STV seems pretty decent too.
STAR has the same problem, if you like an underdog candidate its mathematically best to rank only them so your other choices don’t end up overtaking your prefered choice. That doesn’t happen in RCV until your preferred choice has alrrady lost. Both STAR and Approval are far far more gameable than STV
I guess. I think with any single winner system you’ll encounter gamesmanship, and enough proportional representation can smooth a lot of that over anyway
Definitely true that proportional representation helps a whole lot, and that no system is perfect or free from errors.