Save us, EU. You’re our only hope. Sincerely, USA
This keeps happening—can you lot make some laws for a change?
Edit: oh wait not like that
Cries in britland
The UK adopts various EU rules, a lot of stuff even sold in Northern Ireland has to abide by EU rules (so just say that Apple did make separate lightning and USB C phones, they’d have to use separate operations to sell specific ones in parts of the UK and not others, it probably would have been easier for them to just sell the European models)
You are welcome to rejoin
Actually probably not. Not without major concessions. The pound will have to go which they will never accept unless they have absolutely no other choice
EU, we need your bunker-penetrating rockets. Sincerely, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.
I give it about 10 years before the EU is invaded by the US after corporate lobbying
Or a couple of months if the EPP win the next EU elections.
I need context
Europeans People Party, large political party within the EU which is largely full of conservative right-wing folks with the german Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen at it’s top. She is also currently president of the European Commission and has been known to be involved in corruption and to favour company interests, as well as the rest of the fuckers in the EPP.
So I guess the context is: If EPP stays in power, that’s good for top-business-people, but bad for everyone else. Thereby detrimental for such competitive-practise-laws.
Thanks. It seems EU needs Navalny too. Fucking Putin.
Europeans People Party, large political party within the EU which is largely full of conservative right-wing folks
First the EPP is center-right, not conservative right-wing.
So I guess the context is: If EPP stays in power, that’s good for top-business-people, but bad for everyone else.
Second there’s too much leftists’ bullshit already in EU member states and all that power vacuum created by key keep such as Angela Merkel leaving governments created all the right conditions for the US, Ukraine and Russia to start a war at the EU border that only benefits the USA and has a large economical impact on the EU.
First the EPP is center-right, not conservative right-wing.
As far as I can see it, they are conservative-right wing. It’s even clear from the first sentence of the Wikipedia article you posted further down:
with Christian-democratic,[4] liberal-conservative,[4] and conservative[5][6] member parties
Second there’s too much leftists’ bullshit already in EU member states
You mean like those competiveness laws discussed in this post?
that only benefits the USA
Sounds like a conspiracy myth to me. Feel free to elaborate.
I give it about 10 years before the EU is invaded by the US after corporate lobbying
No need. The US most likely pushed Ukraine and Russia into a war that essentially is a way to put so much pressure in the EU economy that things will fail one way or the other.
Russia (and Putin) are so weak the USA forced them to invade their neighbour?
Cope.
Nvidia: bans platform translation layers for CUDA
Meanwhile AMD: is forbidden from releasing an open source HDMI 2.1 driver supporting 4K@120hz because of HDMI Forums requirements.
Oops. Someone hacked the server and now the code is leaked online. How terrible.
DisplayPort gang?
Sadly also not an open standard, in reality but they are friendlier to FOSS.
At least it is royality free compared to HDMI which has a large annual fee + per unit fee for manufacturers
So a knife maker can now forbid me to cut chicken with it?
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But at least you wouldn’t download a car, right?
I’d singlehandedly bring down the car manufacturers in my country if I could. They have the strongest lobby in Germany for sure.
If translation layer can be banned with EULA how is wine not dead yet? M$ loves Linux or what?
The EULA of the CUDA SDK bans reverse engineering output of the SDK to make translation layers (and such compatibility aids in general).
That makes it more legally dangerous and/or harder for devs. It has no effect on anyone not using the SDK.
How is that Nvidia can ban reverse engineering and for example Nintendo can’t. I’m sure they would love to just say in EULA that sorry but reverse engineering Switch is prohibited therefore every emulator is illegal
I’m willing to bet that Linux is irrelevant to Microsoft. It doesn’t threaten them, Microsoft has it’s core business elsewhere
Microsoft’s operating system accounts for a vanishingly small percentage of server hosting, and their deathgrip on personal computing is starting to slip. (Particularly as Android has already replaced Windows as the most popular operating system.)
Microsoft is well past “not worried”, looking at “too late to do anything about it” in the rear view mirror, and barreling toward “cease to exist if they don’t continue to stick the landing on interoperability with Linux and Android”.
Microsoft’s long term relevance plan counts on cloud tools on Linux and their Office Suite on every platform.
They can prohibit whatever they want, but how enforceable is it? Does Nvidia intend to play whack a mole by checking for translation layers?
Nah, they’ll just pull “Nintendo move”
If AMD and/or Intel took leadership of the project the Nintendo move wouldn’t work and they’d have to actually test it in court
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Who said anything about heroes? Villains sometimes want to stop other villains, too. In fact, probably often.
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You took my comment too seriously, it was just a joke.
But you also singled out Intel. Corporations aren’t heroes in general and AMD is also there. And EU is depicted as the villain, although it’s implied it’s the hero in the context of the meme.spoiler
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“How dare you use software on your hardware,” says another worthless gaggle of bastard morons.
Just have Jensen Huang flop his dick out and say CUDA is an anti-competitive tactic. It wouldn’t be less obvious.
This has been said time and time again but fuck Nvidia. Preventing compatibility layers ensures games and programs that need this stuff are extra unreliable, bloated and enshittified.
These companies are wielding way too much power if they are not afraid to act like this in the open. Bring back making the board of executives and C Suites lives hell when a company so much as inconveniences you.
I want to see fines that have real teeth. No flat rates. Some defined amount per violation, in addition to forfeiture of all revenue derived from or connected to the violation(s). It might be complex to figure out what revenue that applies to inside a large corporation, so to help with the assessment you get a group of government auditors attached to your company for as long as the assessment takes. You pay their wages and provide them with whatever office space &etc they require, and they have a position on your executive board and full oversight of company operations until your debt to society is fully paid.
Regulatory violations should risk ending the company. If you can’t run a profitable business legally then you shouldn’t be running a business.
Yeah fuck this.
… What’s a translation layer?
Got a Windows app you want to run on Linux? Wine and Proton are well known translation layers.
I guess Graphics Cards are similar. CUDA is basically the NVIDIA equivalent of .exe I think.
Cuda is an Nvidia specific method for using a graphics card to do computation (not just graphics), like physics simulations.
Translation layers would let you use software designed for other graphics cards to work with Cuda, or to let Cuda software work on other graphics cards
So nvidia designed something and they don’t want other companies to use it?
CUDA was there first and has established itself as the standard for GPGPU (“general purpose GPU” aka calculating non-graphics stuff on a graphics card). There are many software packages out there that only support CUDA, especially in the lucrative high-performance computing market.
Most software vendors have no intention of supporting more than one API since CUDA works and the market isn’t competitive enough for someone to need to distinguish themselves though better API support.
Thus Nvidia have a lock on a market that regularly needs to buy expensive high-margin hardware and they don’t want to share. So they made up a rule that nobody else is allowed to write out use something that makes CUDA software work with non-Nvidia GPUs.
That’s anticompetitive but it remains to be seen if it’s anticompetitive enough for the EU to step in.
Bottom should be MooreThreads or some other Chinese GPU maker
Can a EULA ban fair use? Google v Oracle might have something to say about this.
It can say whatever it wants unless invalidated by a court or an existing law saying otherwise.
Yup, it’s not a question of laws if there is no enforcement.
But until a government steps in there’s potential civil liability for violating the terms. And even winning a lawsuit against Nvidia could be very expensive and take years. And even if they lost it would be worth it to Nvidia to go through the long, expensive process because they’d making sales that entire time.
Probably depends on your country’s laws. Here in Estonia most EULAs aren’t valid because pressing accept on those isn’t legally binding.
What if we don’t accept the EULA? Like why do we need to accept Nvidia’s EULA to create translation layer of cuda?
Here’s the problem:
Doesn’t matter the country/countries. Due to bureaucracy and lobbying, this will take forever for anyone to get anything done. And by the time it’s done, something better will have appeared and will be using any and all loopholes present in whatever bill they pass to do the exact same shit that is happening now.
It’s too technical.
