Here is the text of the NIST sp800-63b Digital Identity Guidelines.

  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I think it’s pretty idiotic to

    Verifiers and CSPs SHALL NOT impose other composition rules (e.g., requiring mixtures of different character types) for passwords.

    They might mean well, but the reason we require a special character and number is to ensure the amount of possible characters are increased.

    If a website doesn’t enforce it, people are just going to do a password like password

    password is a totally valid password under this rule. Any 8 letter word is valid. hopsital for example.

    These passwords can be cracked in seconds under 10 minutes, and have their hashes checked for in leaks in no time if the salt is also exposed in the hack.

    Edit: Below

    Numbers from a calculator with 8 characters using sha2 (ignoring that crackers will try obvious fill ins like 0 for o and words before random characters, this is just for example)

    hospital 5m 23s

    Hospital 10m 47s

    Hospita! 39m 12s

    Moving beyond 8

    Hospita!r - 19h 49m

    Hospita!ro 3w 4d

    Hospita!roo 2y 1m

    Hospita!room 66 years

    The suggestion of multiple random words makes not needing the characters but you have to enforce a longer limit then, not 8.

    At least with 11 characters with upper case and special characters if it was all random you get about 2 years after a breach to do something instead of mere weeks. If it was 11 characters all lower case nothing special you’d only get 2 months and we are rarely notified that fast.

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        2 years ago

        But they mess that up with their 8 char rule

        Verifiers and CSPs SHALL require passwords to be a minimum of eight characters in length and SHOULD require passwords to be a minimum of 15 characters in length.

        I’d they’d just said shall require 15 but not require special chars then that’s okay, but they didn’t.

        Then you end up with the typical shitty manager who sees this, and says they recommend 8 and no special chars, and that’s what it becomes.

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            2 years ago

            The entity knows people will follow what they say for minimums. There’s already someone in the comment section saying they’re now fighting what these lax rules allow.

            Edit: stupid product managers will jump at anything that makes it easier for their users and dropping it to 8, no special characters, and no resets is the new thing now.