• GreatDong3000@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Hi am noob why systemd bad? I use Debian, is fucked?

    Honestly I’ve been hearing about this for a while now but never bothered to check, I’m too lazy for that.

    • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      8 months ago

      It’s not inherently bad, it “fails” the Unix Philosophy of “Do one thing and do it well” but since Linux’s kernel is:

      • Unix-like, not Unix
      • Fails this philosophy, as it does more than one thing but does all of it pretty well
      • systemd is just a bundle of tools that do one thing and do it well under one package, like Linux’s kernel

      It used to be a mess, but that’s solved. The biggest reason to avoid systemd is mainly user preference, not anything malicious. 90% of current distros use systemd as its easier for the maintainers and package programmers to build for the general than each package and each distro having their own methods of how to do an init system and other tasks.

      How Debian and Arch and Gentoo and Slackware and other big distros worked was different, and the maintainers of those packages had to know “Debian’s way” and not a general way that most places accept. Systemd actually solved the Too Many Standards! issue.

      I’ve never really seen a big argument against systemd, but maybe I’ve just not heard it.

      • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org
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        8 months ago

        back when you had an init system and you got it just the way you wanted it, you would be pissed that you had to move to systemd

        now its there when you install and it is stable so it isn’t a big deal. But old beards hate change.

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        8 months ago

        It also didn’t help that Poettering isn’t particularly popular on a personal level. I think there would have been a lot less drama if he had better people skills.

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          8 months ago

          Yeah, but to be honest, I would have terrible “people skills” too if people sent me death threats over writing a free software.

    • dariusj18@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      I believe partly because it takes over so many responsibilities that it becomes a requirement for things that don’t need to require it. Plus it diverged from the Linux principle of do only one thing.

      Also, afair, it was buggy for a while.