A job at a company that won’t respect your basic humanity isn’t worth having. If you’d rather willingly step into that trap than proceed with whatever you’re doing, or go with other options, are you okay? Like if this sounds like an opportunity and not a giant red flag, I wish there was something I could offer to help you.
Honestly, I don’t know what your point is. I’m not the one deciding whether AI works or not. The world is changing and we can either find some way to adapt to these changes or we can… what, yell at clouds about it?
AI is literally being used right now, it’s what this thread is about.
And the personal attack is bizarre. As I said, I’m not the one deciding whether AI works or not. I’m not deciding whether it’s being used. I have nothing to do with it and it has nothing to do with me.
In a very real sense, applicants are first and foremost deciding if it works. If they can do something resembling standing together, and refuse at any reasonable scale to take part in AI making hiring decisions, it will fail.
applicants are first and foremost deciding if it works
not that I agree with OP but this is the same fallacy of “voting with your wallet”, this kind of boycott simply doesn’t work long term, applicants eventually find themselves out of options and increasingly desperate as time goes by
tbh anyone who’s willing to degrade themselves for a job like that isn’t going to have the same work ethic of someone who refuses to debase themselves to the whims of a micromanaging employer.
if you think you’re in that group, I’m happy to let you work for a shitty company while I go work somewhere that at least pretends like my contributions matter to the field.
I may be selling my soul to a company that secretly doesn’t care if I live or die but at least I can sleep at night with the belief that my contributions matter to someone within the company.
unlike at these shithole companies that don’t even care enough about their culture or other employees quality enough to put the effort out to find the best candidate for the role.
I honestly see your point. It’s just capitalism doing what capitalism does. The bars are set so incredibly high, for every groveling “winner” there are tens of thousands "losers” who will become hungry, homeless, and die in the streets or in forced labor camps. The question is, how well do you like the taste and feel of that steak in your mouth, and how long will you get to enjoy it?
I’m not saying there’s a right or wrong answer. I’m saying it’s wrong to be forced into a position to have to make that decision, though.
If we’re at “tens of thousands of applicants per job” and “forced labor camps” we’re well beyond any remotely relevant scenario to what this article is about. Sure, hyperbole is a routine part of Internet arguments, but this feels like “I’m not fond of coffee” “Oh, so you want to kill everyone who has a caffeine addiction?” Sort of overreaction.
All I’m saying is that AI will likely be used as part of the hiring process in the future and people who absolutely refuse to engage with it will be taking themselves out of a significant portion of the job market.
It’s not hyporbole. I applied once for a job in a small tourist trap town before AI was used in screening. I went to the office to check on it, not having heard back within seven business days. The receptionist was flipping through resumés, and when I inquired, motioned to several mail crates full of resumés. She apologized and said she stopped counting at 700. That’s a small town.
If prisons aren’t forced labor camps, what are they?
Firstly, 700 is nowhere near “tens of thousands.” Secondly, did those 700 applicants die in the streets or in prison? Or did they just go apply for some other job? People generally apply for a lot more jobs than they end up getting. And how is AI screening going to change the outcome? Would those 700 applicants get jobs there if they hadn’t been using AI?
Also, note that America is not the whole world. Most civilized western nations have outlawed slavery, so their prisons aren’t forced labor camps. And the jobless are not automatically imprisoned.
Really, this whole thread is just weird. I pointed out that voluntarily avoiding applying for jobs just means other people will take them, and we leapt instantly to some kind of cartoonish dystopia full of slavery and death.
700 is one job in a small town, mostly seasonal work. She stopped counting at 700. How many jobs do you think there are, there, especially in off -season? I’m sure several did end up homeless or dead in prison. I’m not about to doxx myself so believe what you choose.
I’m well aware USA isn’t all the world. Several other Western societies and prisons seem to follow US lead. And no one said jobless automatically end up in prison. It’s usually a series of unfortunate happenings. Lose a job, can’t get another with livable wages, end up homeless, hungry, steal a can of sardines or crackers, get arrested, can’t make bail, fight to survive in jail awaiting time or have an untreated medical issue…
What’s really weird is you condescendingly telling me that my experience isn’t all the world’s, while failing to realize yours isn’t, either.
Yes, and? The American unemployment rate is currently 4.2%. You’re imagining a scenario that’s simply not backed up by real evidence, just a single anecdote with wild extrapolation. Okay, there were a lot of applicants for that one particular job. Must have been a really nice one. Most of the applicants didn’t get in.
How would AI screening change this?
Did those failed applicants just give up and never apply for another job again afterward? You’re apparently one of them, are you now unemployed forever?
Lots of people in this thread basically saying “I will voluntarily yield those job opportunities to people willing to use new technology.”
Thanks, I guess?
A job at a company that won’t respect your basic humanity isn’t worth having. If you’d rather willingly step into that trap than proceed with whatever you’re doing, or go with other options, are you okay? Like if this sounds like an opportunity and not a giant red flag, I wish there was something I could offer to help you.
Enjoy getting replaced at that job, you mean. If they’re replacing recruitment, those companies don’t value what humans bring to the table.
If every job can be replaced by AI then we’re beyond the subject of this thread at that point. Won’t need recruitment at all when that’s the case.
Enjoy your layoff I guess
Would you rather I not enjoy it?
Honestly, I don’t know what your point is. I’m not the one deciding whether AI works or not. The world is changing and we can either find some way to adapt to these changes or we can… what, yell at clouds about it?
I heard the same shit about VR just 5 years ago. But hey, if you want to be a no talent hack - live your best life bro.
AI is literally being used right now, it’s what this thread is about.
And the personal attack is bizarre. As I said, I’m not the one deciding whether AI works or not. I’m not deciding whether it’s being used. I have nothing to do with it and it has nothing to do with me.
In a very real sense, applicants are first and foremost deciding if it works. If they can do something resembling standing together, and refuse at any reasonable scale to take part in AI making hiring decisions, it will fail.
not that I agree with OP but this is the same fallacy of “voting with your wallet”, this kind of boycott simply doesn’t work long term, applicants eventually find themselves out of options and increasingly desperate as time goes by
tbh anyone who’s willing to degrade themselves for a job like that isn’t going to have the same work ethic of someone who refuses to debase themselves to the whims of a micromanaging employer.
if you think you’re in that group, I’m happy to let you work for a shitty company while I go work somewhere that at least pretends like my contributions matter to the field.
I may be selling my soul to a company that secretly doesn’t care if I live or die but at least I can sleep at night with the belief that my contributions matter to someone within the company.
unlike at these shithole companies that don’t even care enough about their culture or other employees quality enough to put the effort out to find the best candidate for the role.
I honestly see your point. It’s just capitalism doing what capitalism does. The bars are set so incredibly high, for every groveling “winner” there are tens of thousands "losers” who will become hungry, homeless, and die in the streets or in forced labor camps. The question is, how well do you like the taste and feel of that steak in your mouth, and how long will you get to enjoy it?
I’m not saying there’s a right or wrong answer. I’m saying it’s wrong to be forced into a position to have to make that decision, though.
If we’re at “tens of thousands of applicants per job” and “forced labor camps” we’re well beyond any remotely relevant scenario to what this article is about. Sure, hyperbole is a routine part of Internet arguments, but this feels like “I’m not fond of coffee” “Oh, so you want to kill everyone who has a caffeine addiction?” Sort of overreaction.
All I’m saying is that AI will likely be used as part of the hiring process in the future and people who absolutely refuse to engage with it will be taking themselves out of a significant portion of the job market.
It’s not hyporbole. I applied once for a job in a small tourist trap town before AI was used in screening. I went to the office to check on it, not having heard back within seven business days. The receptionist was flipping through resumés, and when I inquired, motioned to several mail crates full of resumés. She apologized and said she stopped counting at 700. That’s a small town.
If prisons aren’t forced labor camps, what are they?
Firstly, 700 is nowhere near “tens of thousands.” Secondly, did those 700 applicants die in the streets or in prison? Or did they just go apply for some other job? People generally apply for a lot more jobs than they end up getting. And how is AI screening going to change the outcome? Would those 700 applicants get jobs there if they hadn’t been using AI?
Also, note that America is not the whole world. Most civilized western nations have outlawed slavery, so their prisons aren’t forced labor camps. And the jobless are not automatically imprisoned.
Really, this whole thread is just weird. I pointed out that voluntarily avoiding applying for jobs just means other people will take them, and we leapt instantly to some kind of cartoonish dystopia full of slavery and death.
700 is one job in a small town, mostly seasonal work. She stopped counting at 700. How many jobs do you think there are, there, especially in off -season? I’m sure several did end up homeless or dead in prison. I’m not about to doxx myself so believe what you choose.
I’m well aware USA isn’t all the world. Several other Western societies and prisons seem to follow US lead. And no one said jobless automatically end up in prison. It’s usually a series of unfortunate happenings. Lose a job, can’t get another with livable wages, end up homeless, hungry, steal a can of sardines or crackers, get arrested, can’t make bail, fight to survive in jail awaiting time or have an untreated medical issue…
What’s really weird is you condescendingly telling me that my experience isn’t all the world’s, while failing to realize yours isn’t, either.
Yes, and? The American unemployment rate is currently 4.2%. You’re imagining a scenario that’s simply not backed up by real evidence, just a single anecdote with wild extrapolation. Okay, there were a lot of applicants for that one particular job. Must have been a really nice one. Most of the applicants didn’t get in.