• Cypher@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Like I said. Innocent until proven guilty.

    I doubt you can make a convincing argument against the presumption of innocence as it underpins the best legal systems in the world but give it a shot if you want.

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      1 day ago

      Just seeing if you feel the same across the board. You support the innocence of Luigi and ICE agents until proven guilty. All ICE agents are innocent right now regardless of what they are seen doing.

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        24 hours ago

        You seem very fixated on ICE as a talking point.

        I don’t particularly care what ICE agents are doing as I’m not from the USA and have no desire to go there.

        You seem to think innocent until proven guilty is some sort of belief in factual innocence, which it isn’t. It’s the withholding of judgment until due process is performed.

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          23 hours ago

          I’m just making sure it’s applied equally for everybody. Luigi is innocent. ICE agents are innocent. Rapists in your country caught on video raping somebody but have yet to stand trial are innocent. Just clarifying that you would say the same thing about everybody who has not been convicted of something yet.

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            23 hours ago

            Yes because that’s how it works legally.

            You seem to have some issue comprehending this.

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              12 hours ago

              No, I get it completely. I just wanted to understand your position, and I’m glad you feel the same way about Luigi as you do other people.