I’ll start. pokemon. doesn’t matter if the game’s old or new I just can’t get into how it plays. idk the gameplay just gets old to me pretty quickly, palworld is an upgrade in every way tbh

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      I got completely addicted for about a week and a half and then dropped it and never thought about it again. The core gameplay loop is crack, but it’s also very shallow and I can never think of a good reason to come back to it.

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        it’s also very shallow

        You take that back!

        In all seriousness, if you’re talking about something like the fact that all machines are functionally doing the same thing, that’s kinda fair, but there’s a lot of complexity in all the options available, made even greater with DLC and mods. Just the logistics of getting items to the right places have many different approaches with various upsides and downsides, and I love all the emergent mechanics that come from belts having two sides and splitters handling two belts.

        It’s not a game for everyone, but calling Factorio shallow seems really odd. If anything, I feel like it allows you to explore its mechanics deeply, instead of having a breadth of shallow mechanics that don’t leave anything to be discovered.

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          Ok yeah that was poorly phrased. It’s shallower than it appears on first impressions, or at least was for me.

          The belt management is the best part IMO and kept me playing for a lot longer than I would have otherwise. I loved ripping up the floorboards and doing it newer and better and bigger and … Oh god I’ve made a mess again, time to start over!

          It is undeniably a very fun game… but for me it was a bit like binging a netflix debut, and it didn’t stick enough to make me want to come back for “season 2”.

          I’ll say that I’m also not a huge roguelike fan and while it isn’t a roguelike, I got that same feeling I get after spending a few hours in Enter the Gungeon.

          Haven’t tried DLCs so can’t comment, but the gameplay is built for extension so I can imagine they’re pretty damn good.

          Are you a Satisfactory fan? I have that in the library and it looked more like my kind of thing (except that I much prefer the look and feel of Factorio)

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            I haven’t properly tried satisfactory, I tried the demo back when that first came out, was asked to run around collecting leaves to put into a power generator for half an hour, and bricked my game trying to put it into borderless or something… And then I switched to Linux, the game was epic exclusive despite promises otherwise, and I passed.

            I got the impression it’s got a tedious early game, having a prebuilt map might make replaying less fun, and it sadly seems to have a very point-to-point, purpose-specific-device approach to logistics. I also like the performance of Factorio, it’s really lightweight on the GPU, and well optimized for CPU (though with the entire map and tons of individual entities loaded at all times there’s only so much you can do), which I imagine isn’t as great for the modern 3D game Satisfactory is.

            I don’t want to rant too much about it, but I think the splitter taking in and outputting two belts in Factorio is brilliant. There’s only a few types of logistics, but they are versatile and nuanced. Being able to belt items onto the side of an underground belt lets you filter out belts by side, the mechanics of belt sides and how they interact with inserters let you create compact designs or maximize throughput if you spend time on it. There’s no dedicated buffer machine, no separate splitters and mergers, all the neat things you can build come together out of component parts in an organic way.

            I will also mention that I like to try to plan ahead specifically to avoid starting over, but when rebuilding is necessary (and when laying a rail network) robots are a must-have.

            On the topic of the DLC… If you’re not drawn into the base game, might be best to pass on it, but they did a good job giving each planet some interesting unique challenges, including organic items that spoil after a certain amount of time. There’s plenty of straight content expansion mods, big and popular ones, but they mixed up the gameplay quite a bit in Space Age.

            All in all… Yeah, different people, different tastes. I’m currently doing a second playthrough of Space Age with friends, but one of them might’ve been felled by Gleba. If you want some more unsolicited gaming takes, I can recommend Mindustry and Outer Wilds ;D