Artificial intelligence may be marketed as society's great equalizer—transforming businesses, streamlining work and making life easier for all—but for many marginalized Americans, AI doesn't feel like a promise.
Exactly… I advise anyone with some kind of expertise to ask chat gpt some questions about your specific field, and see how accurate it is… Then try to ever believe it about anything else ever again.
I hate that it’s being shoved into anything and everything right now, but saying you’re “overtly anti-llm” seems a bit over dramatic to me. LLMs are a tool like anything else. Used properly and in the right situation, they can be very helpful.
I’m overtly anti-llm. I don’t think it’s dramatic at all to be so.
Enough has come out about how much power and water datacenters used to train and run it consume, people being driven insane by it, investors hoping to displace jobs with it, how over reliance on it diminishes your mental faculties, people from minors to adults using it to create deepfake porn of minors (literally it’s on lemmy rn https://lemmy.ml/post/32581009), its use in overt misinformation (particularly from our modern warzones and disaster areas), overt theft of writing and artistry to train these things, and last but not least: limitless spam.
I’m affected by most of those things indirectly, but the spam affects me daily. Can’t search for something on the net anymore without being served f-tier LLM-produced garbage.
So what are the good parts? Doesn’t seem like they outweigh these bad parts, whatever they are.
Can’t search for something on the net anymore without being served f-tier LLM-produced garbage.
I don’t see a material difference vs the f-tier human-produced garbage we had before. Garbage content will always exist, which is why it’s important to learn to how to filter it.
This is true of LLMs as well: they can and do produce garbage, but they can and are useful alternatives to existing tech. I don’t use them exclusively, but as an alternative when traditional search or whatever isn’t working, they’re quite useful. They provide rough summaries about things that I can usually easily verify, and they produce a bunch of key words that can help refine my future searches. I use them a handful of times each week and spend more time using traditional search and reading full articles, but I do find LLMs to be a useful tool in my toolbox.
I also am frustrated by energy use, but it’s one of those things that will get better over time as the LLM market matures from a gold rush into established businesses that need to actually make money. The same happens w/ pretty much every new thing in tech, there’s a ton of waste until the product finds its legs and then becomes a lot more efficient.
Most of these arguments were made for computers back when they were gaining popularity fyi.
The people outsourcing their thinking to LLMs weren’t gonna do much thinking in the first place. And honestly once you use them for a while you quickly realize what their good uses are and what are their limitations and thinking is not its strong suit. But it’s great at sorting large data and making it digestible. Or writing corpo copy that was devoid of meaning anyways.
Remember that a hammer can kill a person just as well as it can build a house.
Now I agree that it is annoying that it is being shoved into everything without any good reason, but the market will sort that out. What you are seeing is everyone rushing into a nascent market before it ossifies and shakes everyone except one or two winners. In 10 years I’m sure LLMs will be more like you have one that you plug into every service you use and it will be provided by one of a handful of companies who are the only ones capable of profiting from this because of the economies of scales it requires to work. Ergo not very different from every other tech rush that has happened in history.
LLMs are tools, simple as. Being a Luddite, screaming and kicking and crying over them is not gonna make it go away any more than boomers crying over computers have managed to make computers go away.
VR is still cool and will probably always be cool, but I doubt it’ll never be mainstream. 3D was just awkward, and they really just wanted VR but the tech wasn’t there yet.
I own neither, yet I’ve been considering VR for a few years now, just waiting for more headsets to have proper Linux support before I get one.
Likewise, I’m not paying for LLMs, but I do use the ones my workplace provides. They’re useful sometimes, and it’s nice to have them as an option when I hit a wall or something. I think they’re interesting and useful, but not nearly as powerful as the big corporations want you to think.
There’s a difference between healthy skepticism and invalid, knee-jerk opposition.
LLMs are a useful tool sometimes, and I use them for refining general ideas into specific things to research, and they’re pretty good at that. Sure, what they output isn’t trustworthy on its own, but I can pretty easily verify most of what it spits out, and it does a great job of spitting out a lot of stuff that’s related to what I asked.
For example, I’m a SW dev, so I’ll often ask it stuff like, “compare and contrast popular projects that do X”, and it’ll find a few for me and give easily-verifiable details about each one. Sometimes it’s wrong on one or two details, but it gives me enough to decide which ones I want to look more deeply into. Or I’ll do some greenfield research into a topic I’m not familiar with, and it does a fantastic job of pulling out keywords and other domain-specific stuff that help refine what I search for.
LLMs do a lot less than their proponents claim, but they also do a lot more than detractors claim. They’re a useful tool if you understand the limitations and have a rough idea of how they work. They’re a terrible tool if you buy into the BS coming from the large corps pushing them. I will absolutely push back against people on both extremes.
I mean there is place in between highly skeptical and anti. I think its a faster and more convenient search as long as it gives sources and it makes creating and editing media easier. I don’t like the energy usage and do like work bringing that down. Its just trying to get it to solve things on its own that seems to be pushed when we can clearly see it not working when used like that. I think the biggest issue is its crammed in as a solution and it works in the most half assed manner and they want to say that fine.
I think just about everyone who is not an executive at a tech company is highly skeptical of AI.
You’d hope, and yet I’ve had people on Lemmy give me shit for being overtly anti-llm
My problem with LLMs is that they’re expert pattern matchers and little else.
Ask them the integral from 1-5 of ln(x) and they’re sure to screw it up.
They’ll give you something that sounds like the right answer, but their explanations are nonsense.
Cold readings, like a psychic, is how I recently heard them referred to as.
Exactly… I advise anyone with some kind of expertise to ask chat gpt some questions about your specific field, and see how accurate it is… Then try to ever believe it about anything else ever again.
I hate that it’s being shoved into anything and everything right now, but saying you’re “overtly anti-llm” seems a bit over dramatic to me. LLMs are a tool like anything else. Used properly and in the right situation, they can be very helpful.
I’m overtly anti-llm. I don’t think it’s dramatic at all to be so.
Enough has come out about how much power and water datacenters used to train and run it consume, people being driven insane by it, investors hoping to displace jobs with it, how over reliance on it diminishes your mental faculties, people from minors to adults using it to create deepfake porn of minors (literally it’s on lemmy rn https://lemmy.ml/post/32581009), its use in overt misinformation (particularly from our modern warzones and disaster areas), overt theft of writing and artistry to train these things, and last but not least: limitless spam.
I’m affected by most of those things indirectly, but the spam affects me daily. Can’t search for something on the net anymore without being served f-tier LLM-produced garbage.
So what are the good parts? Doesn’t seem like they outweigh these bad parts, whatever they are.
I don’t see a material difference vs the f-tier human-produced garbage we had before. Garbage content will always exist, which is why it’s important to learn to how to filter it.
This is true of LLMs as well: they can and do produce garbage, but they can and are useful alternatives to existing tech. I don’t use them exclusively, but as an alternative when traditional search or whatever isn’t working, they’re quite useful. They provide rough summaries about things that I can usually easily verify, and they produce a bunch of key words that can help refine my future searches. I use them a handful of times each week and spend more time using traditional search and reading full articles, but I do find LLMs to be a useful tool in my toolbox.
I also am frustrated by energy use, but it’s one of those things that will get better over time as the LLM market matures from a gold rush into established businesses that need to actually make money. The same happens w/ pretty much every new thing in tech, there’s a ton of waste until the product finds its legs and then becomes a lot more efficient.
Most of these arguments were made for computers back when they were gaining popularity fyi.
The people outsourcing their thinking to LLMs weren’t gonna do much thinking in the first place. And honestly once you use them for a while you quickly realize what their good uses are and what are their limitations and thinking is not its strong suit. But it’s great at sorting large data and making it digestible. Or writing corpo copy that was devoid of meaning anyways.
Remember that a hammer can kill a person just as well as it can build a house.
Now I agree that it is annoying that it is being shoved into everything without any good reason, but the market will sort that out. What you are seeing is everyone rushing into a nascent market before it ossifies and shakes everyone except one or two winners. In 10 years I’m sure LLMs will be more like you have one that you plug into every service you use and it will be provided by one of a handful of companies who are the only ones capable of profiting from this because of the economies of scales it requires to work. Ergo not very different from every other tech rush that has happened in history.
LLMs are tools, simple as. Being a Luddite, screaming and kicking and crying over them is not gonna make it go away any more than boomers crying over computers have managed to make computers go away.
Your last paragraph implies that I’m naive for believing that complaining about it will make it go away, but I’ve done no such thing.
This is the naive statement.
They’re mostly not being used for that and they come at a huge cost
Remember how a few years ago 3d displays and VR were being shoved in everyone’s faces? I can see the current “AI” trend going the same way.
VR is still cool and will probably always be cool, but I doubt it’ll never be mainstream. 3D was just awkward, and they really just wanted VR but the tech wasn’t there yet.
I own neither, yet I’ve been considering VR for a few years now, just waiting for more headsets to have proper Linux support before I get one.
Likewise, I’m not paying for LLMs, but I do use the ones my workplace provides. They’re useful sometimes, and it’s nice to have them as an option when I hit a wall or something. I think they’re interesting and useful, but not nearly as powerful as the big corporations want you to think.
There’s a difference between healthy skepticism and invalid, knee-jerk opposition.
LLMs are a useful tool sometimes, and I use them for refining general ideas into specific things to research, and they’re pretty good at that. Sure, what they output isn’t trustworthy on its own, but I can pretty easily verify most of what it spits out, and it does a great job of spitting out a lot of stuff that’s related to what I asked.
For example, I’m a SW dev, so I’ll often ask it stuff like, “compare and contrast popular projects that do X”, and it’ll find a few for me and give easily-verifiable details about each one. Sometimes it’s wrong on one or two details, but it gives me enough to decide which ones I want to look more deeply into. Or I’ll do some greenfield research into a topic I’m not familiar with, and it does a fantastic job of pulling out keywords and other domain-specific stuff that help refine what I search for.
LLMs do a lot less than their proponents claim, but they also do a lot more than detractors claim. They’re a useful tool if you understand the limitations and have a rough idea of how they work. They’re a terrible tool if you buy into the BS coming from the large corps pushing them. I will absolutely push back against people on both extremes.
I mean there is place in between highly skeptical and anti. I think its a faster and more convenient search as long as it gives sources and it makes creating and editing media easier. I don’t like the energy usage and do like work bringing that down. Its just trying to get it to solve things on its own that seems to be pushed when we can clearly see it not working when used like that. I think the biggest issue is its crammed in as a solution and it works in the most half assed manner and they want to say that fine.
We have a lot of non-management whom are all-in and drinking the kool-ade. I’m still highly put off for a number of reasons, but an outlier.
I was just trying to figure out how to express that exact sentiment. Thank you.